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Do you ever wonder about the different ways of dying?

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you know, violently.

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Nostalgia plays such a heavy part in, you know, what you grow up with.

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The thing about horror
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it was just kind
of counterculture,

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“Fuck you" attitude, and it was something that your parents hated.

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Sex,
drugs and rock and roll in the '80s. Right? Well,

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it became a lot more than that.

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We were rock stars in the '80s.

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We were busier than we'd ever been.

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The amount of horror movies that came out in the '80s was enormous.

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The output was insane worldwide.

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Horror films really did open the floodgates

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Horror, splatter, gore.

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Great Grand Guignol. That horror stew.

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Why did it affect me so strongly? I mean,
it really changed everything.

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A good horror film can be scary, but it can also make you laugh.

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And it just picked something in my brain.

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You're taken on this wild ride emotionally.

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You're being terrified,
you're laughing, they relax you,

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they make you laugh,
and they scare you again.

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I'm a scaredy cat.

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When I see a good horror movie,

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the first thing I want to do when I
get out of there is I want to fight or fuck.

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I look now at the '80s,

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there's never going to be another
time like it. that's for damn sure.

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Hey kids, welcome to prime time!

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The key to understanding what made the films at the '80s so great,

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is to understand the influences that all the filmmakers had as kids.

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It was clear that these filmmakers were
showing love for the movies of the past.

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There's a cycle - people
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relay that back for a
younger generation.

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So it's always this wheel turning of like what's popular at one point,

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comes back around
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all-time classics while the
bad ones became cult favorites.

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When I was doing “Movie Macabre",
I saw myself as kind of a librarian [laughter],

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exposing a new generation
of new people to these horror

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films that I grew up with and
that I loved when I was young.

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I think it was important to curate these
movies from the past for a new audience.

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I was eight years old in
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from the Black Lagoon" hit the movie theaters,
okay?

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But those days I believed that monsters were real - Frankenstein,
The Wolf Man, they were real.

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It's not until I saw "Man of a Thousand Faces" that that showed me Oh,
somebody creates this stuff.

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Yes,
Lon Chaney was all of these: The Hunchback of Notre Dame,

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The Miracle Man,
the Phantom of the Opera.

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If somebody says "oh,
that's an old movie." Well,

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it's not old if you
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I fell in love with horror
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bride of Frankenstein
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She's alive! Alive!

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In the early '50s,
I saw "Thing From Another World“. Howard Hawks. Oh my god,

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that ah, jeez, I loved that.

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It was kind of serendipitous my life in horror movies.

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The very first horror movie that
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a science fiction film called "it
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And that meant a gigantic impression,
because of the 3D process. A

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Meteor in the beginning came out of
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I ran screaming, as a kid that's - I just couldn't get enough of.

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Horror of Dracula, Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing.

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The iconic first reveal of Dracula with the
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his mouth when he snarls at Jonathan Harker,
it's just, I'll never forget that image.

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Vampires,
werewolves were always - they're staples. They're

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the original movies to show the
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The film that gave me nightmares for several years,
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was "Abbott and Costello
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That movie scared the crap out of me. And you know,
it's funny when I look back at it, I

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see elements of "Re-Animator" in that film,
to turn into Mr. Hyde by getting an injection.

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So these guys with
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you know, in this movie,
very much like “Re-Animator".

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"The Brain That Wouldn't Die".
I was eight. It's really sort of a

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early echo of "Re-Animator".
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But the idea was horrifying to me.

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The first R-rated horror movie I ever saw was "The Omen“.

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It's all for you.

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I was 13 years old,
my dad took me. I was raised Catholic,

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so that decapitation of David Warner
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And I've decapitated many people in my movies over the years.

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I think it's one of the finest ways of murdering someone.

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I was a big horror
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we had Chiller Theater. That was my Saturday night go-to,
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My mother let me watch "The Birds" when
it came on television. I remember saying,

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"How could you let me watch that?“
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"Psycho". I was 10 years old,
my parents took me. I don't know if they

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had a clue what we were going to see,
but it certainly impacted my life.

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We all go a little mad sometimes.

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We're all ellllng lhere with
our Chloe Ben Ben: and our hot

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buttered popcorn and our Good and Plenty,
you know, waiting for the movie.

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That was like this great fan-boy memory
for me of how important that was to us.

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I'm a "Silly Goose" [laughter],
I'm telling you I love that old scary stuff.

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Dario Argento kicked off the 1980s with “lnferno",
which was a continuation of his "Mother of

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Tears" trilogy after “Suspiria“ basically took
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and I think shows how
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into American cinema was
very much there and prevalent.

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It feels like an amalgamation of a lot of Argento movies. For me,
probably the biggest and

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most impressive set piece in that film is the
underwater sequence that we see early on,

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where it feels impossibly long,
you're kind of holding your breath with her. And yet it's so

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beautiful and so tranquil. And it's such a fun
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And with "|nferno",
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She gets sort of these glimpses of
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Argento,
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he still plays with viewers
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There's definitely
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Inferno that I think makes it
uncomfortable for a lot of folks.

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Ultimately,
"lnferno" wraps up with the reveal of the

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witch and then basically the
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which is very similar to how "Suspiria" ends,
but then "lnferno" kind of

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takes it to another level with sort of
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Inferno is Argento like really flexing his muscles,
like he's got a couple hits under his belt,

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he's got some money,
and he's going for it in the early '80s. "|nferno" is one of those films.

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"Humanoids From the Deep“. This is
top notch exploitation from my buddy,

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Roger Corman. This one features

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fishy mutants trying to accost women
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not very PC is it?

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Corman‘s mantra for the film was
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and rape all the women. It was actually directed by a woman,
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now,
whether or not Corman hired her to deflect some of the

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criticism from the movie's more
exploitative elements - I don't know.

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I do know that he requested that a
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be added in post production,
which she was not happy with them about.

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The humanoid costumes are actually
pretty cool rather than just the typical,

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you know,
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“Humanoids From the Deep" was done
so quickly. And it was a very low budget

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film on the producers part. I ended up playing a humanoid,
every time three hours

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to get into the suit and three hours to get out of it,
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you know,
putting the slimy seaweed to hide unfinished parts on it.

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The finale of the movie just
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It's fishmen killing people,
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Corman was like,
“You know what? This movie is rated R,

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we're going to
earn that rating.“

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Barbara really liked the
way I took bullet hits. And so

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every time you see a humanoid get shot in that movie,
it's me.

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"Humanoids From the Deep" is a better
creature feature than you'd expect from Roger

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Corman. The end stinger is pretty
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but it's still fun.

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Two depraved brothers kidnap
friends who are on a camping

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trip and then torture and rape
them. This movie is very deranged.

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It's very depraved. It's very much something that
you could never make in this day and age. Ike and

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Addley are just two filthy rednecks just psycho
monsters and of course all orchestrated by the mom.

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[laughter] Darlings you have

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made your mother very proud.

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The house is just disgusting,
it's cluttered. They eat like pigs,

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they eat like slobs and she thinks it's
funny because she's the fucked up mother.

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It's just -- it's a real -- it's a dirty movie. One of
the best deaths of all times when they finally do

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escape,
pouring the drain down his throat -- they

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just vomiting up like red
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There's another amazing scene where
they're trying to escape down the side

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of the house with a sleeping bag and
the laces are just cutting into her palms.

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It just looks real, it looks gross,
and like what would you do, you know, it's

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your friend. It does have some humor
but once again it's very black dark humor.

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I swear sometimes you boys are just like little savages [laughing].

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It's more of a social commentary gore and comedy and -- but it's a masterpiece,
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wrote it and directed it. In the '80s, when it came out,
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Full page, and - and was distributed as if it was a - a - a,
you know, an MGM movie. It

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was distributed by an independent,
they put a lot of money into the -- when it came out.

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It was-- would
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but “Mother's Day" had at least
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As horrific as it sounds,
rape in the '70s and early '80s in horror movies was used as a plot

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device, specifically in "Last House On the Left",
I mean the whole movie is based around that.

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You would never see that now and nor should you see that now,
but "Mother's Day“ is the

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same for that,
where it's just over the top horrific things happening to these poor women,

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that then have to go get
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the people who did these
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It's hard to watch, because yeah,
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but was it worth it?
Like these poor people.

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You don't leave those movies going, "Eh,
yeah, whatever." you go like, "Wow", that

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really made you feel something and made
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Once a picture like "Prom Night" came out and made a lot of money,
the genre of the slasher

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film, which - which had really kind of started with Halloween,
but nobody really called it that.

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But once "Prom Night" came out,
it was a big hit, and the "Terror Trains" and all

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the other following pictures that were made,
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Our next movie is an exercise in gruesome stupidity. Now,
you might ask what is gruesome stupidity?

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That's when everybody in the movie is stupid,
and they're also either dead or covered in blood.

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This next movie is a horrible example of that.

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You know, it's like "Murder on the Orient Express" with
teenagers. And the movie itself it's almost structured like

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an anthology. Everybody has their own little individual
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and you finally get where the terror train was going.

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That's when I started recognizing Jamie Lee Curtis. I just - I was just like,
she's in

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everything. Those few years after "Halloween",
she was it. You know, she was the final girl.

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Jamie Lee Curtis,

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she's a terrific every woman.
She was an action figure.

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And what I do remember is how creepy
the killer was. There was this ambiguous,

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androgynous sensitive
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kid who was being picked on a lot,
I could see myself in that,

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you didn't necessarily see
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I said, "Move off, sir."

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You saw yourself in the people who were being antagonized.

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The mask on the killer,
just to see through -- those are the kind of

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same type of mask from "Sweet Alice" actually,
it was that kind of vibe.

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If you like early '80s Jamie
Lee Curtis - and who doesn't?

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- it's worth the watch.

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The Nature Runs Amok movies of the '80s.

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Probably my favorite sub genre of horror.

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As a kid, I remember all of my friends telling the urban legend about this,
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to go to New York City, because to them,
the sewer system was just crawling with rogue pets.

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I just love all the humor in "Alligator",
I mean, there's some outrageous

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moments like the alligator in the
swimming pool with the kid walking the plank,

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the running joke about Robert Forster‘s thinning hair.

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You need to see a hair stylist. They let
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There are just so many little moments that
humanize the characters and also provide

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a good counter point. That's another movie
that mixes horror and comedy really well.

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The thing that I remember
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was how realistic the the gator looked. I mean,
the god

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damn thing's mouth was enormous!
And then every time it would eat somebody,

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it just felt like
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I mean,
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it always made my skin
crawl. Robert Forster is

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like he's up trying to get
out of the manhole cover

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and it's stuck and he's just
giving it as much as he can.

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And then you see the gator coming up behind him like oh,
okay, so they can just climb ladders now?

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This is horseshit. I can just remember the panic as a kid,
going, "Get out of there! Get out of there!"

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Very tense moment for a 10 year old [laughing].

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Ken Russell just made the weirdest greatest
movies in that time. I think he's totally underrated. I

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remember, in “Altered States" the big gag,
the really cool thing was with the sensory deprivation tank.

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The storyline was really, I thought, intellectually challenging,

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and William Hurt,
it will always be my favorite actor from that period of time.

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And then he did drugs in the
sensory deprivation tank. Well,

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that sounds like
a lot of fun. Right?

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That sounds like something you wanted to do.

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He has these horrible contortions
that either is really happening to him,

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or he's imagining happening to him.

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“Altered States" was
one of the first movies

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I saw that had like that
crazy makeup effect,

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where the arm bubbles.

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This whole bladder technology,

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I think it actually began with
"Altered States" in the '80s,

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Dick Smith's work. And it was still,
you know,

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a groundbreaking
technique to take skin,

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and have that skin
change and be able to

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swell and do things that
we hadn't seen before.

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And he transforms into
some kind of a primal

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being that only indulges
his own elemental appetites,

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There are things that happen when
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that are unexplainable and could be liberating, could be terrifying.

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At the end, when he's slamming around the room,
changing from,

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you know, one state to another,
is he imagining it?

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ls he actually becoming this creature?

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It's a mind blow in the best kind of way,
but also cautionary tale, right?

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Which all great horror films are - cautionary tales.

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I recommend it. I'm gonna go make my son sit through that,

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because he's a senior
in high school and I

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want to make sure that
he never does drugs.

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If you, as I did,
in the '80s walked into a movie theater

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and didn't know you're walking
into an Italian horror movie,

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you were kind of caught wondering what the hell you just walked into.

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Because it's just a little different. I mean,
they're truly foreign films, right?

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It's - it's foreign to our experience.

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The Italian culture: They love horror,
they respect it much more than Americans.

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They respect it as a
genre like the western or

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the gangster film or the
film noir or the mystery.

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I think there is a reaction
to the inherent fascism

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that was in or leftover in
those cultures at that time.

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Italy was also sort of coming out from
under a conservative authoritarian regime.

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When it comes to Italian filmmakers during the '80s,

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I think the three titans of Italian cinema were

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Lamberto Bava, Lucio Fulci and of course, Dario Argento.

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Argento's is very operatic, it's very colorful,

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it's a sensory experience with sound and color and set pieces.

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“Suspiria“ is one of my favorite

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movies. Not only
because of the storyline,

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but also because of Dario Argento's
color palette is so insane [laughing]

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and the kills are amazing in it.

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Opera to me is a classic Dario Argento's opera. He's a visual stylist,
okay.

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The shot through
the people in the door,

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when the guy gets the bullet
and it takes out the phone!

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That's incredible stuff! Okay.

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To me, Dario is a volcano of the mind.

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Lamberto Bava was the wild card of
the Italian maestros of horse in mid '80s.

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He was the guy who was going to
take you on some really crazy journeys,

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that you possibly could not have ever expected you would go on.

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he would just take big swings that would connect in very unique ways.

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And then you have somebody like Lucio Fulci,
who was sort of the maestro of

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these really over the top effects truly gory movies,

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where you could almost just feel the residue on your skin.

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Fulci is the weirdest to me because
he doesn't give a shit about reality.

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He is creating a weird surreal hallucination for you

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and Fulci clearly has some kind of eye fetish [chuckles],

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where he needs to do eye trauma every time and it's horrible.

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What's more horrifying than to be stabbed in the eye.

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[laughing] They're into eyeballs, a lot of eyeballs.

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The Italians just went there immediately [laughing]. Boom.

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Argento did a little bit of that too, especially with "Opera",

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where you have a character who's completely defenseless,

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and is forced to watch these horrific macabre events.

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They have needles taped right underneath their eyes,
so if they close their eyes,

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they will shred their eyelids,
which to me,

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I can't think of a more
terrifying scenario to be put in.

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Italian directors were sort of challenging us as viewers,
with the eye trauma

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being like, well, if you're going to watch this,
you know, this is what you get.

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reflective of our
willingness to sit there

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and bear witness to a
lot of this really crazy

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and over the top gore
that they were willing

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to put into their movies
for our entertainment.

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and "The eyes are the window to the soul".

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[snaps fingers] Bingo. And you know
those smart Italians had thought about that.

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My heart with the Italians is in the style,
the stylized horror,

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not that I have anything against
Italian cannibal horror [laughing],

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because I know how influential it is and I know how hardcore it is,

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and I know what it represents in the world of - of horror,
splatter, gore.

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I just was so taken with the sort of stylistics of the Italians.

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I am totally in love
with Italian Giallo.

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There's a different reality
in Italian Giallo films.

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The reality doesn't have to be so airtight.

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One of the things that fans say to me all the time is they go,

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“l love those Italian movies! They're
just crazy! They don't make any sense!"

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Um, sorry - yeah, they do.

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But it's based on their culture,

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not ours. They make perfect
sense within their culture.

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Giallo really takes your
expectations and then completely

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obliterates them and comes
at you in a totally different way.

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There's definitely motifs
that we saw in Giallo movies,

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you'd have the the mystery
killer who is stalking somebody,

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most of the time they were wearing gloves.

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It was never usually
a gun. It was always

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something like a
switchblade or a knife,

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which gave these movies sort
of a sense of intimacy. Ultimately,

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like having sort of a
collection of victims as well,

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Like there is always a larger
picture in terms of sort of

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the body count that they
wanted to amass in Giallo movies.

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It's a celebration of horror, of bodies,
of bleeding, of screaming women,

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it's also the appreciation of the
kills. The special effects make up,

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the supernatural.

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You'll always get a
payoff even if it takes a

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while to get there and it's gonna make you,
lloh!“

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and it doesn't stop,
so you can't just close your eyes,

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you know,
it just goes and it goes and it goes,

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you know,
it's right down your throat,

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we are going to make you
recoil in terror no matter what.

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Fear is universal. It's,
you know,

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it's another reason why horror does
well in distribution around the world.

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You don't have to know the languages, everyone can recognize running,

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everyone can recognize fear.

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When you went to
see these movies you

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didn't go because you
knew anything about them,

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you went because of the poster, the newspaper ad, the title,

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you went because of the titillation of the ad campaign.

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All of the Italian horror films,
for example, came out during this period,

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but nobody knew they were Italian.
All the Italian names were changed to

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anglicize names and they were dubbed of course.

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I'll kill you, you son of a --

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Are you trying to
those girls are killed by

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someone you wouldn't
define as a school friend?

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Dubbing in Italian horror I think takes a while to get used to.

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Because if you're not expecting it, it can be very off putting.

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best bad overdubs for sure,
the worst overdubs,

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worse than then, you know,
old Kung Fu movies.

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Listen to me,
young lady. We're in a situation where -- You listen,

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you gang of
bloodthirsty bastard!

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[male voice] "Hey, what's going on here? What's in that closet?"

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[female voice] "Don't
open it." [male voice] "Oh,

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it's a zombie.
Shoot it" [screaming]

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That's the inherent
charm of it. Like

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that's the rough edges
that I love about it.

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Because it doesn't feel super polished.

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When we laugh at dubbing we go,

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“Well the lips don't match" and for the rest of the world,
that doesn't matter.

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Smoking is not allowed in here. - Excuse us.

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I've dubbed. I've dubbed myself,
I've dubbed other

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people. It is an art form and it
takes a while to get good at it.

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Huh, what I think does matter anymore. Bitch.

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I think Italian horror
filmmakers are fans

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of American Horror
and American dollars,

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that heightened Italian
flavor gets into America,

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gets into theaters,
gets into video stores.

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That lurid box art starts to show up on the shelves.

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The Italians were churning
out splatter movies must

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have - must have been
like 20 a week or something.

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So every week there was something new.

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They all have a very
special place in my heart,

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they're not all
necessarily great films.

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They were just doing
what they wanted

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to do and telling these
really crazy stories.

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And honestly, when you would pick up a movie at the video store,

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you'd never knew what experience
you were in for. And that was the fun of it.

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I think what's interesting about Italian exploitation in general,
is that

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it all starts as a ripoff, you'll get one hit,
and then you'll get 30 copies.

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Going back to like a
Hercules movie in the '50s,

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like they've got a hit Hercules movie,
and then there's all the

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sword and sandal movies,
you've got “Fistful of Dollars",

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and then the whole
spaghetti western genre,

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and the horror genre
is no different. They

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picked up on what was
happening in America

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and copied it and then
perverted it - I say that as a

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compliment - and made it gaudy and loud and funky,
and naked.

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There's so much American
DNA in Italian horror,

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but it's all just cranked
up to this insane level.

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So a lot of times what you
may have seen is people doing

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the best they can with the
financial choices they were given,

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people still wanting to make
their movie and like anything else,

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artistry is on a scale.

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So thanks to the
Italians and thanks to

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"Suspiria" and
everything that came after,

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suddenly '80s horror is very colorful,
in a way that '70s horror was not,

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and I think you can tie
that directly to the Italians.

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"The Funhouse" is a movie that kind of
gets lost in Tobe Hooper's filmography,

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because it's between "Texas
Chainsaw Massacre" and then

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those crazy movies he made
for Cannon Films in the mid '80s.

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Which is a shame
because it's actually

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like a solid little haunted
house slasher movie.

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Well,
it was funny because I was actually dating Elizabeth

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Berridge for a while there,
so it was great to see her work.

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I think that's one of my favorite Tobe
movies. I certainly loved the monster,

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I thought that was fantastic.

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I loved that whole movie.

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The monster in "The Fun House“, a guy named Gunther,

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wears this Frankenstein mask because
his actual face is also really horrendous.

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And the effects on his face
are really memorable. You

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got like red eyes and fangs
and this stringy white hair,

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Just this kind of hair lip fanged mouth with drool coming out of it.

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The sort of bastard
son of the carnival guy,

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just the way he's treated
and the way he's deformed,

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and you almost feel for him, but yet he's going around killing people.

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This has got to be the
only movie where the

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inciting incident is a guy
in a Frankenstein mask

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getting some happy service by a psychic.

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Nothing to be ashamed, it happens to the best of us.

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What's interesting about
this movie is that it's a

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lot more graphic than
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre",

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where all the gore is implied and you don't really see it.

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You get to see all the backstage
parts of the Fun House in a carnival,

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all the - the worrying mechanics
and the trap doors and the tracks.

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It's great to see that space explored.

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"Fun House" to me is a movie that was completely made by Fangoria,

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and talking about the influence of the magazines at that time.

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There was something about,

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number one - I saw that on the cover,
like, that's disgusting.

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It's one of those things where when
you're in a fun house ever since then,

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I always wonder what if this guy is an actual killer?

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“Omen lll“ was 1981.

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That picked up
Damien as an adult.

431
00:35:43,933 --> 00:35:48,647
He's a 30-ish politician
played by Sam Neill.

432
00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:51,566
I think that was the first
time I had ever seen Sam

433
00:35:51,566 --> 00:35:54,653
Neill probably same for
American audiences in general.

434
00:35:54,694 --> 00:35:56,613
Take him.

435
00:36:01,034 --> 00:36:04,496
As the movie begins,
he has the post that his father

436
00:36:04,496 --> 00:36:08,708
Gregory Peck had a mere five
years before him [laughing] in the,

437
00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:14,506
you know, twisted chronology of "The Omen“ series,
where they would, you know,

438
00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:17,008
fast forward with
soap opera speed,

439
00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:20,637
Omen ll Damian was 13,
suddenly, he's 30 years old.

440
00:36:20,637 --> 00:36:25,517
Anyway,
he is the ambassador of Great Britain at the beginning of the story,

441
00:36:25,558 --> 00:36:30,522
as is the want of all of the devil worshipers who surround Damien.

442
00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:33,692
And they're grooming him for his, you know, ultimate world power.

443
00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:41,574
Do you hear me? - We hear you. We hear you.

444
00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:44,786
One of the weird things
about that movie is that it

445
00:36:44,786 --> 00:36:48,665
really is all structured around
a series of murders of babies,

446
00:36:48,665 --> 00:36:54,546
[laughing] 'cause in the story,
the rebirth of Christ has also happened.

447
00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:57,716
And now Damien
feels threatened by this,

448
00:36:57,716 --> 00:37:03,680
so he dispatches all of his devil
worshiping minions to kill all the babies.

449
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:11,563
Slay the Nazarene,
and you will know the violent rapture of my father's kingdom.

450
00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:13,064
Just kind of hilarious,

451
00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:17,569
because it's just - just like something
you could not do in movies anymore,

452
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,571
Liquidate the Nazarene.

453
00:37:19,571 --> 00:37:23,324
There's a woman who
she just like somehow has

454
00:37:23,366 --> 00:37:27,579
this weird hallucination
of her baby as a monster.

455
00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:31,332
And so she takes a hot
[laughing] iron to the baby and goes

456
00:37:31,332 --> 00:37:35,587
[imitates ironing sound] -- it's -
it's really kind of unspeakable.

457
00:37:48,141 --> 00:37:52,604
“Friday the 13th Part ll",
I'd seen the end of that movie so many times

458
00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:55,523
because it was tacked on to the
beginning of "Friday the 13th Part lll",

459
00:37:55,523 --> 00:37:56,816
which I rented a lot as a kid.

460
00:37:56,816 --> 00:38:00,779
There's something really charming about the characters in that film.

461
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:14,709
The second one to me,
is the only true definition of a sequel. Bigger story,

462
00:38:14,751 --> 00:38:17,712
bigger budget, bigger scares.

463
00:38:19,714 --> 00:38:21,800
Massive twist because
now you're going,

464
00:38:21,841 --> 00:38:24,636
this is the first appearance
of Jason as the killer.

465
00:38:26,638 --> 00:38:28,640
It was the first one that Steve Miner directed.

466
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:34,687
The way he paced it was that you didn't know who was gonna die.

467
00:38:37,148 --> 00:38:40,693
Jason,
he's the shark. You're gonna do something and Jason's gonna knock you off,

468
00:38:40,693 --> 00:38:41,861
you know.

469
00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:51,788
I loved Amy Steel as the lead heroine.

470
00:38:51,788 --> 00:38:54,624
She is just awesome
and bad-ass. I love the way

471
00:38:54,624 --> 00:38:57,627
Jason and her interact
with each other at the end.

472
00:38:57,627 --> 00:39:01,673
The Chase at the end, to me is one of my favorite final moments,

473
00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:03,633
you know the rat going
under the bed and peeing

474
00:39:03,675 --> 00:39:05,802
underneath it and there's
moments in there that are

475
00:39:05,802 --> 00:39:10,723
almost a little quirky that I don't
feel happened in other films like that.

476
00:39:14,644 --> 00:39:17,814
She psychs out Jason,
I love that scene,

477
00:39:17,814 --> 00:39:21,651
where they're in the what
we call the chez Jason,

478
00:39:21,651 --> 00:39:25,780
with the head there and all the candles and stuff,
and she puts on the sweater

479
00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:29,659
and Jason's like got the sack thing and freaking out.

480
00:39:36,666 --> 00:39:38,918
I wish they had never
abandoned the burlap

481
00:39:38,918 --> 00:39:41,671
sack and that's what a
lot of people don't realize,

482
00:39:41,671 --> 00:39:45,842
is that he doesn't get the hockey mask until number three.

483
00:39:45,842 --> 00:39:50,263
But it's just overall
to me so much

484
00:39:50,263 --> 00:39:54,684
scarier than any
of the other ones.

485
00:39:54,684 --> 00:39:56,853
I think that's probably why it's my favorite.

486
00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:15,872
"Graduation Day" is a movie that has a killer who is killing people

487
00:40:15,872 --> 00:40:19,792
specifically who were on the high school track team.

488
00:40:19,792 --> 00:40:22,837
It stars Linnea Quigley, but originally,
it didn't have Linnea Quigley.

489
00:40:22,879 --> 00:40:26,841
They had another actress in the place
who they filmed some scenes with her,

490
00:40:26,841 --> 00:40:30,803
but then she wouldn't do the nudity that was required with the role.

491
00:40:30,803 --> 00:40:35,850
So they fired her and brought in Linnea Quigley to play the same part.

492
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:41,814
Now there's a blonde,
but she's different. But she's playing the same character.

493
00:40:41,814 --> 00:40:47,737
Your ass is mine. - [mocking sounds]

494
00:40:47,779 --> 00:40:50,949
It was just like a fun film,
it was like it's got all these great kills in it.

495
00:40:57,872 --> 00:41:01,668
Like my boyfriend, Billy Hufsey,
who teaches acting classes

496
00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:05,755
now and I don't think wants to
talk about it was like going to,

497
00:41:05,755 --> 00:41:07,423
of course, “I'll be right back",

498
00:41:07,423 --> 00:41:10,802
and goes and pees in the woods
and gets his head chopped off.

499
00:41:15,765 --> 00:41:19,352
I remember doing the running,
and I made a mistake,

500
00:41:19,352 --> 00:41:22,981
which I'll never do again,
and I ate lunch - a lot!

501
00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:25,149
I remember having
to throw up because I

502
00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:27,777
was running so much.
I was just like [panting],

503
00:41:27,777 --> 00:41:30,738
and I'm like, oh my God,
my stomach. Yeah,

504
00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:34,784
so that was a fun fact too,
that I threw up after running.

505
00:41:34,784 --> 00:41:38,913
When they were doing the effects,
they had cast the head of the original girl.

506
00:41:38,913 --> 00:41:41,708
So you see Linnea Quigley
through most of the film,

507
00:41:41,708 --> 00:41:44,002
and then in the end,
when she gets killed,

508
00:41:44,002 --> 00:41:47,964
they're using the head of the girl from the beginning of the movie.

509
00:41:49,799 --> 00:41:52,802
It's not my head, but it's supposed to be.

510
00:41:52,802 --> 00:41:54,679
which has confused a few people,

511
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,808
Vanna White also appears in the movie,
but she doesn't turn letters.

512
00:41:58,808 --> 00:42:01,811
Fuck. It's blood.

513
00:42:05,023 --> 00:42:09,277
It's another example of how
popular horror films were,

514
00:42:09,277 --> 00:42:12,864
you had this movie that
cost around $250,000,

515
00:42:12,864 --> 00:42:17,035
they put it out there, it made almost $24 million.

516
00:42:30,798 --> 00:42:34,927
Those old trailers from the '80s,
they just had a certain magic to them,

517
00:42:34,927 --> 00:42:38,806
where you'd have the voice of something as silly as "The Boogens",

518
00:42:38,848 --> 00:42:40,892
but they deliver it in
“The Boogens“. And

519
00:42:40,892 --> 00:42:43,019
that sets off something
in your head where

520
00:42:43,019 --> 00:42:47,982
you need to see this movie to see what are The Boogens

521
00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:57,492
And the people involved
with the production,

522
00:42:57,492 --> 00:43:00,953
they didn't know what The
Boogens was going to look like.

523
00:43:00,953 --> 00:43:03,748
They hired a special
effects guy and they said,

524
00:43:03,748 --> 00:43:06,042
“Okay,
here's the ideas that we have".

525
00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:10,838
And he came back with this idea of
a little monster with like crab claws.

526
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,924
And they were like,
"Well, that's really cool,

527
00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:14,842
but that's not what a
Boogens looks like".

528
00:43:14,842 --> 00:43:16,761
And they're like, "Well,
what is a Boogens look like?",

529
00:43:16,803 --> 00:43:17,845
They're like, "we don't know".

530
00:43:17,845 --> 00:43:24,352
And he went and eventually designed
this monster. It was like a turtle,

531
00:43:24,352 --> 00:43:27,230
but the turtle shell was
supposed to look like the

532
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:30,066
brain of a sheep that he
saw in a medical catalog.

533
00:43:30,066 --> 00:43:36,030
And it had tentacles,
and its head could come out and retract, and it had teeth,

534
00:43:36,072 --> 00:43:39,909
and it was just the most
ridiculous hodgepodge of ideas that

535
00:43:39,909 --> 00:43:44,080
could all come together and
somehow be thrown into a horror film.

536
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,085
[woman screaming in the background]. Strangest damn thing I ever saw.

537
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,310
That's my second
horror film. There's

538
00:44:06,352 --> 00:44:08,896
some great sequences
and great images in it.

539
00:44:08,938 --> 00:44:10,773
And we were all
up in this great little

540
00:44:10,773 --> 00:44:12,900
town in northern
California called Mendocino.

541
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,611
And it's like,
you don't have to dress it. It's just there. It

542
00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:18,114
looks like Stephen King's
gonna walk out of every door.

543
00:44:18,114 --> 00:44:21,075
It looks exactly like what you think Maine should look like.

544
00:44:21,075 --> 00:44:26,914
And it's James Farentino,
the late great Jack Albertson and Lisa Blount,

545
00:44:26,914 --> 00:44:27,957
wonderful,

546
00:44:27,957 --> 00:44:31,085
extraordinary actress. Most people
know her from "Officer and a Gentleman“.

547
00:44:31,127 --> 00:44:34,463
It's actually an effective little movie.

548
00:44:41,929 --> 00:44:45,516
It turns out that the
mortician has been behind

549
00:44:45,516 --> 00:44:49,103
killing the town's people
and reanimating them,

550
00:44:49,103 --> 00:44:52,982
basically creating an army of undead puppets.

551
00:44:52,982 --> 00:44:56,611
Stan Winston did the makeup on that film,
and there was a lot of us,

552
00:44:56,652 --> 00:44:58,988
he had to make a lot of people,
the undead.

553
00:44:58,988 --> 00:45:04,118
Stan, not yet the legend he would become, but a player.

554
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,872
Stan was beginning to
push more into puppetry

555
00:45:07,914 --> 00:45:12,043
with some of the effects
he created for that film.

556
00:45:12,043 --> 00:45:15,296
There are two that
stand out to me as being

557
00:45:15,296 --> 00:45:19,050
the most 'Oh that's cool'.
One is the burn victim,

558
00:45:19,050 --> 00:45:23,971
he created this shoulders up puppet of this terribly burned character,

559
00:45:23,971 --> 00:45:27,058
where you're seeing the muscles and the ligaments.

560
00:45:27,058 --> 00:45:31,020
It was a hand puppet and it was highly effective.

561
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:33,940
And I remember seeing
that come together in his shop

562
00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:37,068
and thinking that was the
grossest thing he'd ever made.

563
00:45:39,987 --> 00:45:43,199
Another sequence that really works is when the evil mortician is

564
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:44,951
reconstructing this hitchhiker,

565
00:45:44,951 --> 00:45:49,121
played by Lisa Marie and she starts
out horribly injured and disfigured,

566
00:45:49,121 --> 00:45:52,583
it's a dummy,
a recreation of the actress.

567
00:45:52,583 --> 00:45:58,005
I will make you beautiful again,
even more beautiful than before.

568
00:45:58,047 --> 00:46:02,134
Using a series of, you know,
wipes and dissolves, you slowly see her being

569
00:46:02,134 --> 00:46:05,680
reconstructed by the mortician
until she's finally back intact,

570
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,974
and pretty,
and sits up and there she is,

571
00:46:08,015 --> 00:46:11,018
and she's actually undead, but she looks pretty hot.

572
00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:14,689
And I also remember
being freaked out by the burn

573
00:46:14,689 --> 00:46:18,567
victim character who's
completely covered in gauze,

574
00:46:18,567 --> 00:46:22,280
All you see is one eye and his
mouth. And this nurse just plunges a

575
00:46:22,321 --> 00:46:26,242
needle right in his eyeball. And that was just ahhhh,
a cringe moment.

576
00:46:28,995 --> 00:46:35,126
For me, Lisa was the first sort of nurse angel of death,
embodies that cold,

577
00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:39,005
hard,
blonde sexuality that Hitchcock was so

578
00:46:39,005 --> 00:46:43,217
intrigued by. "We're
dead but we're not buried!“

579
00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:02,778
“Nightmare" is a movie told
from the point of view of a serial

580
00:47:02,778 --> 00:47:06,032
killer who goes up and down the
East Coast of the United States,

581
00:47:06,032 --> 00:47:10,036
And when I say told from his point of view,
we told with a point of view camera

582
00:47:10,036 --> 00:47:12,955
"You are the killer“
[laughing] he wreaks mayhem

583
00:47:12,955 --> 00:47:16,125
all up and down the East
Coast of the United States.

584
00:47:19,128 --> 00:47:20,796
People hated the film,

585
00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:26,052
people pelted the screen in Times
Square with the objects [laughing].

586
00:47:26,093 --> 00:47:29,096
People walked out, people demanded their money back.

587
00:47:31,098 --> 00:47:37,229
The eternal principles of a good
cinematic story still must be observed,

588
00:47:37,229 --> 00:47:43,069
and there must be a sympathetic
protagonist in your story. Otherwise,

589
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:46,072
the audience will
turn against you.

590
00:47:46,072 --> 00:47:47,823
There's a myth.,

591
00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:53,245
and we should destroy this myth
because sensors use it to censor movies.

592
00:47:53,287 --> 00:47:58,167
And the myth is that all we want to
see is blood and gore. That's not true,

593
00:47:58,209 --> 00:48:01,253
if you look at the
movies made in the '80s,

594
00:48:01,253 --> 00:48:04,090
made by clueless
idiots who thought that

595
00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:06,926
that was the secret to
making a great horror movie,

596
00:48:06,926 --> 00:48:09,095
you end up with
films like "Nightmare“.

597
00:48:28,114 --> 00:48:31,784
Every time I think of
"Saturday the 14th",

598
00:48:31,826 --> 00:48:37,248
I think of sitting at my mom's
old apartment and watching HBO.

599
00:48:37,248 --> 00:48:44,255
There was like this handful of fairly risky movies with weird content,

600
00:48:44,255 --> 00:48:46,715
but they would just show
them during the day for any

601
00:48:46,715 --> 00:48:49,385
eight to ten year old to kind
of catch up on [laughing].

602
00:48:49,385 --> 00:48:55,474
You've got Jeffrey Tambor as Dracula-ish,
a Dracula type person.

603
00:48:55,516 --> 00:49:01,230
Well,
if you don't trust me after 311 years of marriage...

604
00:49:01,272 --> 00:49:03,232

605
604
00:49:03,232 --> 00:49:07,153
You've got Richard Benjamin running around,
basically tormenting his family.

606
00:49:07,153 --> 00:49:10,239
Take this coffee, I can't stand the sight of it.

607
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,201
But I just remember how goofy that movie was.

608
00:49:18,164 --> 00:49:23,878
And then the guy who played like the
Van Helsing type character was so sketch,

609
00:49:23,878 --> 00:49:27,173
and he scared me more
than the monsters did.

610
00:49:27,173 --> 00:49:28,591
If someone should that book,

611
00:49:28,591 --> 00:49:32,219
his soul would be doomed with
eternal hell fire and damnation! Yeah!

612
00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:39,226
So many weird things were okay back then,
man. The bathtub moment to me,

613
00:49:39,226 --> 00:49:42,271
reminds me of the Freddy
moment when the glove

614
00:49:42,271 --> 00:49:46,275
comes up. But this being
before that was like the Jaws take.

615
00:49:46,275 --> 00:49:48,277
So who influenced Who?

616
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,245
But then you see the teenage
daughter running around being chased by,

617
00:49:58,245 --> 00:50:00,206
you know, the Fishman, you know?

618
00:50:00,206 --> 00:50:03,375
What's the Jesus Christ “

619
00:50:03,375 --> 00:50:07,254
I mean, this is a kids movie,
what the hell's going on? You're

620
00:50:07,254 --> 00:50:11,300
watching it as a kid,
you don't realize the dark undertone of it.

621
00:50:13,969 --> 00:50:17,306
Will I show that to my kids? No,
I will not be showing that [chuckles].

622
00:50:17,348 --> 00:50:21,727
Do you see a monster in this room?
I can't believe that I'm standing here,

623
00:50:21,769 --> 00:50:23,562
in the middle of the
night arguing with a 10

624
00:50:23,562 --> 00:50:25,397
year old kid about the
existence of monsters.

625
00:50:32,196 --> 00:50:36,116
As an actor,
I get to bring a little joy into someone's life,

626
00:50:36,116 --> 00:50:39,203
every time I get -- no
matter what the genre is,

627
00:50:39,203 --> 00:50:41,747
every time I have an
opportunity to work,

628
00:50:41,789 --> 00:50:45,209
it's a great charge. To be,
you know, do the best I can

629
00:50:45,209 --> 00:50:49,213
because, you know, somebody is going to enjoy this.

630
00:50:49,213 --> 00:50:51,215
They're killing everybody. - I gotta find her.

631
00:50:51,215 --> 00:50:53,217
Wait a minute man, are you crazy?! - I gotta see if she's alright.

632
00:50:53,217 --> 00:50:56,220
Just stand back! There's nothing you can do out there!

633
00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:58,556
I didn't think I was going
to be an actress. Actually,

634
00:50:58,556 --> 00:51:00,349
I wanted to be an archaeologist,
I always

635
00:51:00,349 --> 00:51:02,726
thought that was that
would be an interesting thing

636
00:51:02,726 --> 00:51:05,271
to be. So I went to Carnegie Mellon,
which is a really

637
00:51:05,271 --> 00:51:06,647
good theater school
here in Pittsburgh.

638
00:51:06,647 --> 00:51:08,399
There's different techniques
that we were trained,

639
00:51:08,399 --> 00:51:11,902
but one of them was the whole
method movement of bringing,

640
00:51:11,944 --> 00:51:14,446
you know,
your experiences to the moment.

641
00:51:14,446 --> 00:51:21,787
And I remember using that,
especially after Sarah cuts off Miguel's arm,

642
00:51:21,787 --> 00:51:26,208
she has a moment
where she just has had it.

643
00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:30,296
She actually breaks down, which,
to me was like the art of the character.

644
00:51:30,296 --> 00:51:32,590
She was actually very
strong in that moment,

645
00:51:32,590 --> 00:51:35,301
because she was able to
be very real in that moment.

646
00:51:41,223 --> 00:51:45,227
Working that with myself and my thoughts, and my technique.

647
00:51:45,227 --> 00:51:47,980
Acting is the art of not acting,

648
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:52,443
right? Acting is being - acting class 101,
right?

649
00:51:52,443 --> 00:51:54,153
Before I made any movies,

650
00:51:54,153 --> 00:51:58,324
I was a stage actor. I was King Arthur,
I was Ben Franklin.

651
00:51:58,365 --> 00:52:02,411
When I did the effects on the film,
I always tried to play a part of it,

652
00:52:02,411 --> 00:52:06,248
you know,
some little part and that just led to more and more parts.

653
00:52:06,248 --> 00:52:08,250
And then suddenly, with George Romero, just parts.

654
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:13,464
Don't forget, some of us are wearing tinfoil. - That's your problem.

655
00:52:13,464 --> 00:52:15,382
I really wanted to be, you know,

656
00:52:15,424 --> 00:52:19,261
an actor. Makeup effects was
kind of what got me in the door.

657
00:52:19,261 --> 00:52:23,599
You get in the door so you can prove
yourself that people know who you are,

658
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:26,310
you know,
and who knows where that could lead.

659
00:52:33,275 --> 00:52:35,277
I used to want to
be a minister. Well,

660
00:52:35,277 --> 00:52:38,280
the acting as my ministry. You know,
that's how I get to,

661
00:52:38,322 --> 00:52:45,371
you know,
how my soul gets to speak to your soul about our commonality,

662
00:52:45,371 --> 00:52:50,292
above the oneness that we share,
as human beings.

663
00:52:50,292 --> 00:52:54,755
I really thought about it in the '80s,
there was no really Asian

664
00:52:54,755 --> 00:53:00,302
representation. We were all kind of stereotypical,
and it was a difficult time.

665
00:53:00,302 --> 00:53:04,431
It also made me feel like, 'hmm maybe I should do something else.'

666
00:53:04,431 --> 00:53:07,351
I kept at it only because of the theater,
you know,

667
00:53:07,393 --> 00:53:10,396
something like Kelly Who
in "Jason Takes Manhattan".

668
00:53:10,396 --> 00:53:13,399
I mean, that was pretty extraordinary,
where she didn't have an accent.

669
00:53:13,399 --> 00:53:17,403
Look, I think I'll pass, okay. - what? - See you later.

670
00:53:17,403 --> 00:53:21,824
My first movie movie was "16 Candles“.

671
00:53:21,824 --> 00:53:25,369
[clashing cymbals sound] What's happening, hot stuff?

672
00:53:25,369 --> 00:53:31,333
The controversy was good. Because I
also think that it started to change things,

673
00:53:31,333 --> 00:53:35,754
and make people aware. If anything,
made the Asian community come out

674
00:53:35,754 --> 00:53:40,509
and try to express themselves about
why they disagree with this character.

675
00:53:40,509 --> 00:53:44,805
And what they failed to do I thought
was we weren't coalesce together to try

676
00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:49,309
to figure out what to do about it. Unlike today,
it's - it's much better today.

677
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:54,314
I've never been so happy my whole life [chuckling]. - You maniac.

678
00:53:54,314 --> 00:53:57,443
There was no ethnicity
mentioned in “Vamp". So I

679
00:53:57,443 --> 00:54:01,488
thought that was kind of cool.
I thought that was a good step.

680
00:54:01,488 --> 00:54:07,286
What time do you get off? - Two thirty. - Can I watch? [laughing]

681
00:54:07,327 --> 00:54:12,958
The better your actors are,
the better shape you're in. Hire people

682
00:54:12,958 --> 00:54:19,339
that bring a certain kind of credibility
and naturalness to the performance.

683
00:54:19,339 --> 00:54:21,550
And then at least you're a step ahead.

684
00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:25,012
Give me a script,
let me break this character down,

685
00:54:25,012 --> 00:54:29,308
make some choices. And hopefully
I buoy what you're doing here.

686
00:54:29,308 --> 00:54:33,312
Hopefully, I can put some wind and some sails here.

687
00:54:33,312 --> 00:54:37,399
He's dead? - No anymore.

688
00:54:37,441 --> 00:54:38,525
That's what I'm in control of.

689
00:54:38,567 --> 00:54:42,029
If somebody offered me a job,
and I liked the script,

690
00:54:42,029 --> 00:54:45,449
and the story and the character,
I'm in, I'm all in.

691
00:54:45,449 --> 00:54:49,328
And that's how I just
started doing horror movies,

692
00:54:49,369 --> 00:54:53,332
John invited me to be in
"The Fog“ and we were off.

693
00:54:53,332 --> 00:54:56,335
I don't believe in luck, good or bad.

694
00:54:56,335 --> 00:55:02,257
I hated acting class. It just was
torture [chuckles] for me. But you know,

695
00:55:02,257 --> 00:55:04,510
you have to get some tools.

696
00:55:04,551 --> 00:55:08,597
A director told me once,
“The best thing an actor can do is

697
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:12,935
give me choices". Trusting my
instincts when I read something,

698
00:55:12,935 --> 00:55:15,687
and trusting my instincts
about a character,

699
00:55:15,687 --> 00:55:18,440
generally ends up
being the right way to go.

700
00:55:18,482 --> 00:55:21,360
I've studied a lot of different styles,
I've worked with different coaches.

701
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,864
So I've used some stuff from the method,
I've used the old "James Cagney,

702
00:55:25,864 --> 00:55:29,409
plant your feet in the ground
and tell the truth" method.

703
00:55:29,409 --> 00:55:33,497
The funny thing about it is
that if something is written well,

704
00:55:33,497 --> 00:55:36,333
you don't have to do
a lot of work with it.

705
00:55:36,375 --> 00:55:38,794
That's why I always want to know,
let me see the script. Let's

706
00:55:38,794 --> 00:55:41,421
see how it is. And if you have trouble getting lines out,
it's like

707
00:55:41,463 --> 00:55:43,841
it's not written well.
That's the problem

708
00:55:43,882 --> 00:55:46,301
[laughing]. And I
used to think it was me.

709
00:55:46,343 --> 00:55:48,387
Come on, you little bastard!

710
00:55:48,387 --> 00:55:51,098
What we had back then was
people who are learning their craft,

711
00:55:51,098 --> 00:55:52,516
but now we have people that are

712
00:55:52,516 --> 00:55:53,892
yes, learning their craft,

713
00:55:53,892 --> 00:55:57,563
but also passionate about the
genre and purposefully going into it.

714
00:55:57,604 --> 00:55:58,689
I mean,
you'll talk to people in the '80s and they'll say,

715
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:59,398
you know,
"That's just what I got".

716
00:55:59,398 --> 00:56:05,028
But now,
these people are coming up very focused on doing

717
00:56:05,028 --> 00:56:11,535
horror because they love horror
and that's what they intend to do.

718
00:56:11,535 --> 00:56:16,456
You have to be as honest as
you can be with your character

719
00:56:16,498 --> 00:56:21,420
and your story and your -
the truth of what you're saying.

720
00:56:21,461 --> 00:56:25,591
It's up to them to
make it scary for the

721
00:56:25,591 --> 00:56:30,429
audience. And my job
is just to tell the truth,

722
00:56:30,429 --> 00:56:32,431
The shit is getting old,
real fast. You know,

723
00:56:32,431 --> 00:56:34,349
I was awakened out
of a real pleasant dream

724
00:56:34,349 --> 00:56:36,435
to come down here,
you're going to straighten it out, Raimi,

725
00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:38,353
or am I going to play poop
patrol with your nightstick?

726
00:56:38,353 --> 00:56:43,609
I received a thoroughgoing acting for
the camera education from Dennis Hopper,

727
00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:49,448
that was an experience not to be missed. And as time goes on,
I cherish it more,

728
00:56:49,448 --> 00:56:50,449
I appreciate it more,

729
00:56:50,449 --> 00:56:53,452
and I apply it more. Dennis
encouraged me to look through the lens.

730
00:56:53,452 --> 00:56:56,163
"This is what it looks
like. This is where

731
00:56:56,163 --> 00:56:59,541
your light is. This is the
side that's best for you.“

732
00:56:59,541 --> 00:57:04,087
"When you deliver that line, do this,
make that gesture", it's a visual medium.

733
00:57:04,087 --> 00:57:06,590
You said you were
going to do this alone.

734
00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:10,385
[sighing] I need your help, Missy.

735
00:57:10,385 --> 00:57:15,390
That was a takeaway that continues
to provide extraordinary benefits for me.

736
00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:20,062
When I hear "cut",
I'm Doug. I'm Doug in a skirt and a very

737
00:57:20,103 --> 00:57:25,400
constricting leather jacket with
my face covered in latex and pins.

738
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,237
But I'm Doug. I don't carry
the character through the clay,

739
00:57:29,237 --> 00:57:31,531
and I don't take
him home with me.

740
00:57:31,531 --> 00:57:35,702
Before I ever started thinking
about doing crazy stuff,

741
00:57:35,744 --> 00:57:38,497
I was very interested
in map making.

742
00:57:38,497 --> 00:57:43,418
I've been playing the
bad characters for so long,

743
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:48,632
but always knew that I
had other things I could do.

744
00:57:48,632 --> 00:57:52,427
So Charlie's farm, huh? Somebody's feeling great.

745
00:57:52,427 --> 00:57:56,515
It's important as an actor to show versatility, right?

746
00:58:00,435 --> 00:58:06,066
Not only have I clone
some emotional stuff,

747
00:58:06,066 --> 00:58:08,652
but also recently,

748
00:58:08,694 --> 00:58:14,491
in the past couple years,
done some comedy.

749
00:58:14,533 --> 00:58:18,578
I never thought somebody would be interested in me trying to be funny.

750
00:58:18,578 --> 00:58:25,419
As an actor,
you have your facial expressions,

751
00:58:25,419 --> 00:58:31,675
and your voice to add
to your performance.

752
00:58:31,675 --> 00:58:35,554
It's like way easier. When
you have to look scary

753
00:58:35,554 --> 00:58:39,975
and intimidating without
either one of those two things,

754
00:58:39,975 --> 00:58:45,522
with a hockey mask on - way harder.
And that's why everybody over acts.

755
00:58:45,564 --> 00:58:46,815
People, they think,

756
00:58:46,815 --> 00:58:50,652
"l can do that. You don't even have
to show your face or say anything".

757
00:58:50,652 --> 00:58:54,197
You know what? You can't
do it. You think you can,

758
00:58:54,197 --> 00:58:57,451
but you try too hard
and then it looks phony.

759
00:58:57,451 --> 00:59:00,537
I've worked pretty
consistently in the '80s,

760
00:59:00,579 --> 00:59:04,666
I did a lot of soap opera
work and a lot of horror movies.

761
00:59:04,666 --> 00:59:09,337
And at the time that I did “Castle Freak",
which was in 1995,

762
00:59:09,337 --> 00:59:14,593
I felt like for the first time I really
understood what I was doing.

763
00:59:14,593 --> 00:59:18,513
I got it, I know how to act on film, I know what I'm doing.

764
00:59:18,513 --> 00:59:22,517
So I was about 35.
And then all of a sudden,

765
00:59:22,517 --> 00:59:26,480
people stopped calling me,
I wasn't working.

766
00:59:26,521 --> 00:59:28,482
And at that time,

767
00:59:28,482 --> 00:59:34,488
I feel like I had aged out a little
bit. I just wasn't getting any calls.

768
00:59:34,488 --> 00:59:37,115
And I was mad at the
time. I thought well,

769
00:59:37,157 --> 00:59:41,453
I'll go back to school. I'll - I'll -
I'll get a degree in gardening,

770
00:59:41,495 --> 00:59:46,500
I loved gardening. And then I met my husband, Bob. And he said,

771
00:59:46,541 --> 00:59:47,542
"Well,

772
00:59:47,542 --> 00:59:50,670
I have to move up to San Francisco for
my job. Do you want to come with me?“

773
00:59:50,712 --> 00:59:56,593
And I thought yeah, F Hollywood,
I'm just gonna go and do something else.

774
00:59:56,635 --> 00:59:59,179
And then I became a
mom and I was busy with

775
00:59:59,221 --> 01:00:02,641
that. I took a break because I aged out a little bit,
but

776
01:00:02,641 --> 01:00:07,145
now, thank God,
I'm playing these older women and

777
01:00:07,145 --> 01:00:11,650
moms and mentors and evil people,
and caretakers.

778
01:00:11,650 --> 01:00:16,696
And I'm glad that the producers from
"You're Next" took a chance on me and said,

779
01:00:16,738 --> 01:00:20,283
"Yeah,
we want to - we want to see Barbara Crampton again,

780
01:00:20,283 --> 01:00:24,663
we want to see her“,
and because I'm having a lot of fun working again.

781
01:00:45,058 --> 01:00:47,561
“The Beast Within" is
another one of these low

782
01:00:47,602 --> 01:00:50,730
budget '80s movies that is
super rapey at the crux of it.

783
01:00:50,730 --> 01:00:54,693
You've got character actors in there
who have been in Oscar nominated films.

784
01:00:54,693 --> 01:00:57,612
You've got Ronnie Cox in there, you've got Bibi Besch in there.

785
01:00:57,612 --> 01:01:01,616
It's a pretty trashy movie for the caliber of actors that are in it.

786
01:01:01,658 --> 01:01:03,702
R.G. Armstrong - no slouch, really qualified character actor.

787
01:01:03,702 --> 01:01:10,500
Lord save us, he's been embalmed.

788
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:12,377
bladder effects are
front and center in the

789
01:01:12,419 --> 01:01:14,504
'80s horror movies in
the transformation scenes.

790
01:01:14,504 --> 01:01:17,507
You see it in "The Howling“ and you see
it in "An American Werewolf in London".

791
01:01:17,507 --> 01:01:20,010
Anytime something's changing,
that's a bladder effect. And

792
01:01:20,010 --> 01:01:22,637
Beast Within is like a script
written around a bladder effect.

793
01:01:24,514 --> 01:01:27,934
"Beast Within" Philippe Mora,
whom I dearly love directed it,

794
01:01:27,934 --> 01:01:30,520
all they had at the time
were bladder effects,

795
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:31,646
so all you could do was blow up.

796
01:01:31,688 --> 01:01:36,067
You know, under the latex, the skin.

797
01:01:36,067 --> 01:01:38,320
“The Beast Within" is a
very comical version of

798
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,530
it. Tom Berman did the
effects and I love Tom,

799
01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:42,616
he's got an excuse for that transformation scene.

800
01:01:44,534 --> 01:01:47,621
“The Beast Within" is
the nadir of - of bladder

801
01:01:47,621 --> 01:01:50,665
effects in which the -
the lead monster's head

802
01:01:50,665 --> 01:01:53,668
explodes to a point where he looks like Charlie Brown.

803
01:01:53,710 --> 01:01:55,921
And it just goes and goes,
and goes, and goes,

804
01:01:55,962 --> 01:01:58,632
and goes, and goes, and goes,
and it's so silly looking.

805
01:01:58,673 --> 01:02:01,676
Tom says in his own defense,
that they had already

806
01:02:01,676 --> 01:02:05,513
gotten the scenes for the
transformation that he felt were good,

807
01:02:05,555 --> 01:02:08,266
and then they said,
"Let's just have fun. Let's just pop it,

808
01:02:08,266 --> 01:02:10,560
let's just film it until it
will not go any more".

809
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:11,686
And then the director used that.

810
01:02:11,686 --> 01:02:13,271
And a friend of mine who said,

811
01:02:13,271 --> 01:02:16,608
"Testing something's limits
usually results in finding them".

812
01:02:16,608 --> 01:02:20,612
Bladder effects can be awesome,
and sometimes they can be "The Beast Within".

813
01:02:20,612 --> 01:02:24,532
God. - [panting].

814
01:02:24,532 --> 01:02:31,081
"Evilspeak" is a movie that's

815
01:02:31,081 --> 01:02:36,628
starring the outstanding

816
01:02:36,628 --> 01:02:39,631
Clint Howard,

817
01:02:39,631 --> 01:02:44,678
Ron Howard's brother,

818
01:02:44,678 --> 01:02:47,389
and he is a guy
who's bullied at school

819
01:02:47,389 --> 01:02:50,684
and figures out the
perfect way to get revenge.

820
01:02:50,684 --> 01:02:53,728
He uses his computer to summon the devil.

821
01:02:53,728 --> 01:02:57,565
I conjure in command the prince of darkness!

822
01:02:57,565 --> 01:03:01,569
This is one of those magical movies from the early '80s,

823
01:03:01,569 --> 01:03:06,574
where they were trying to capitalize on the explosion of computers.

824
01:03:06,574 --> 01:03:07,826
"Well,

825
01:03:07,826 --> 01:03:11,579
what can we do to put computers into
movies and especially into horror movies?

826
01:03:11,579 --> 01:03:15,583
I got it! Let's have a kid who can
summon the devil with the computer."

827
01:03:15,583 --> 01:03:18,586
Save me!

828
01:03:19,587 --> 01:03:24,676
Even though there are kids being

829
01:03:24,718 --> 01:03:29,764
killed, you side with the killer

830
01:03:29,806 --> 01:03:34,602
because he's a guy who has been bullied
and he's really just out getting revenge

831
01:03:34,602 --> 01:03:36,688
for all the stuff that people have done to him.

832
01:03:42,694 --> 01:03:46,781
Makes you wish we all had a Commodore 64 for revenge, doesn't it?

833
01:04:05,633 --> 01:04:13,475
The story revolves around a
slumber party and a driller killer,

834
01:04:13,475 --> 01:04:17,771
coming to kill
said slumber party,

835
01:04:17,812 --> 01:04:21,649
hence the massacre in the title.

836
01:04:21,649 --> 01:04:26,780
The thing that people forget about this movie is how funny it is.

837
01:04:33,203 --> 01:04:38,792
It was originally written as a spoof lampooning the genre,

838
01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:41,252
but I don't think that
people who bought

839
01:04:41,252 --> 01:04:43,713
the script really had
any sense of irony,

840
01:04:43,713 --> 01:04:49,803
because they mainlined it and basically
made it this fairly ingenious movie.

841
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:53,890
I love the dynamic between the girls.

842
01:04:56,684 --> 01:05:00,230
Even in the beginning when like they
don't realize anything things going on,

843
01:05:00,230 --> 01:05:07,946
but people around them are just dying [chuckles],
it's just kind of this weird,

844
01:05:07,946 --> 01:05:13,535
standard J11 killer, you know,
just running around with this

845
01:05:13,535 --> 01:05:19,749
incredibly impressive drill. Chock
full of really benign monotony.

846
01:05:19,749 --> 01:05:22,710
What do you say we order a pizza? - No anchovies.

847
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:28,591
Punctuated by
savage masculine kills.

848
01:05:28,633 --> 01:05:35,807
It's really a dissertation
on the fact that

849
01:05:35,807 --> 01:05:41,896
any male serial killer is just basically using his, you know.

850
01:05:41,896 --> 01:05:45,859
[gasping]. - How pretty.

851
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:50,822
The symbolism in the movie when they
basically chop that off and go after him,

852
01:05:50,822 --> 01:05:55,869
I mean, it makes Death Ride look like a cakewalk. It's pretty funny.

853
01:06:11,759 --> 01:06:13,803
I love "Alone in the
Dark". It's a weird little

854
01:06:13,803 --> 01:06:15,930
'What if' movie; like if
we didn't fall into this

855
01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:19,767
slasher summer camp thing in the '80s,
then something like "Alone in the Dark"

856
01:06:19,767 --> 01:06:21,060
had a chance to shine,

857
01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:24,939
where you're using A-list actors
and like a weird "Home lnvasion“ plot,

858
01:06:29,777 --> 01:06:30,820
Jack Palance is amazing in it,

859
01:06:30,862 --> 01:06:32,864
Martin Landau is amazing in it,
so is Donald Pleasence.

860
01:06:36,784 --> 01:06:38,536
"Alone in the Dark“'s
poster makes you

861
01:06:38,578 --> 01:06:40,788
think you're going to see
another slasher movie,

862
01:06:40,788 --> 01:06:44,959
and not a bananas “Home lnvasion"
movie by a group of escaped mental patients,

863
01:06:44,959 --> 01:06:47,629
that are all middle to
late aged white men,

864
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:51,049
played by some of the best
actors of their generation.

865
01:06:51,049 --> 01:06:53,051
[laughing]. - What are you, some kind of asshole?

866
01:06:57,347 --> 01:06:59,891
That opening has no reason to be in the film. It's just

867
01:06:59,891 --> 01:07:01,935
a crazy Grab Me
by the Lapel dream

868
01:07:01,935 --> 01:07:04,896
sequence that goes
berserk right out of the gate.

869
01:07:07,899 --> 01:07:10,860
I think it's interesting that "Alone in the Dark“ is made by New Line

870
01:07:10,902 --> 01:07:13,988
and it's got a very "Elm Street" opening
two years before "Elm Street" happened.

871
01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:17,825
And then Jack Sholder, who directed it,
ended up doing "Elm Street“ too.

872
01:07:17,825 --> 01:07:20,787
I really wish that there
was more of that flavor in the

873
01:07:20,787 --> 01:07:23,831
'80s Horror. “Alone in the
Dark“ is a weird little movie

874
01:07:24,999 --> 01:07:25,833
that's kind of its own thing.

875
01:07:25,833 --> 01:07:33,007
Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord [laughing].

876
01:07:45,061 --> 01:07:47,522
"Night Beast" [chuckles]. Oh,
boy,

877
01:07:47,564 --> 01:07:50,858
"Night Beast“ is a gem right here. I mean,
it's

878
01:07:50,858 --> 01:07:55,863
a low budget film, but it did an incredible job on the effects.

879
01:08:00,868 --> 01:08:03,871
This alien is here for
the body count. I mean,

880
01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:07,000
it just kills people in
all kinds of gory ways.

881
01:08:12,422 --> 01:08:16,884
The alien has this very funny facial
expression. I don't know what it is,

882
01:08:16,884 --> 01:08:20,138
but there's something
very funny about that alien's

883
01:08:20,138 --> 01:08:23,975
face. You don't really understand
what the alien's motive is.

884
01:08:24,017 --> 01:08:27,437
It kind of seems like a child
that just got a new toy. Like,

885
01:08:27,437 --> 01:08:28,980
Oh, what's this button do?

886
01:08:28,980 --> 01:08:33,026
Oh, wow! And he's just killing people for fun the whole movie.

887
01:08:38,364 --> 01:08:40,992
Guess who did the music? JJ Abrams.

888
01:08:40,992 --> 01:08:47,040
JJ Abrams,
who was credited as Jeffrey Abrams did the music in "Night Beast“.

889
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:51,002
Like, if you want a body count, I mean, this movie has it.

890
01:08:57,925 --> 01:09:00,094
They gotta bring back the "Night Beast“ in some way.

891
01:09:08,478 --> 01:09:10,104
I do enjoy horror,

892
01:09:10,146 --> 01:09:15,109
but only if it's really good.
I've tended to like darker films,

893
01:09:15,109 --> 01:09:20,073
even as a child, Film Noir, you know,
for instance, I very like that genre.

894
01:09:20,073 --> 01:09:24,160
It just is my favorite
form of escape. It's like,

895
01:09:24,202 --> 01:09:27,955
just take me away,
I'm a willing participant.

896
01:09:27,955 --> 01:09:32,126
You know, I really want you to - to change my world right now.

897
01:09:32,168 --> 01:09:33,544
Today, I think of '80s movies,

898
01:09:33,586 --> 01:09:36,130
I think of really big hair,
to start with [chuckles],

899
01:09:36,130 --> 01:09:41,386
that's pretty scary now. I love movies.
I would always look at who directed it,

900
01:09:41,427 --> 01:09:43,137
who wrote it, who's in it,

901
01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:48,017
what's it about, all of the above really. You know,
I started out to be a dancer.

902
01:09:48,017 --> 01:09:52,980
That was my first love. And film really found me, oddly enough.

903
01:09:53,022 --> 01:09:55,024
It wasn't like I
was in search of,

904
01:09:55,066 --> 01:09:59,570
even the first time I walked on the sound stage,
like, “Ah, it's like home".

905
01:09:59,570 --> 01:10:02,115
You know, it felt like I was in the right place.

906
01:10:02,115 --> 01:10:06,077
Before I did film in New York, I did a number of commercials.

907
01:10:06,077 --> 01:10:09,163
Pants! - Wow, a car with pants!

908
01:10:09,163 --> 01:10:16,045
And I was very shy,
so it was at that point that I got into acting classes.

909
01:10:16,087 --> 01:10:18,005
And then when I started making movies in the '70s,

910
01:10:18,047 --> 01:10:22,135
and I found myself in a crowd of people like

911
01:10:22,135 --> 01:10:25,304
Brian De Palma, Steven Spielberg,
Martin Scorsese,

912
01:10:25,304 --> 01:10:28,599
Francis Ford Coppola,
George Lucas and Bob Zemeckis,

913
01:10:28,599 --> 01:10:30,601
who I met as well.
You're sitting there,

914
01:10:30,643 --> 01:10:34,272
and you're hearing this conversation,
they're deconstructing these films,

915
01:10:34,272 --> 01:10:37,150
and talking about filmmakers. And now all of a sudden,

916
01:10:37,191 --> 01:10:42,155
I'm looking at it from a different
perspective. I really like good directors,

917
01:10:42,155 --> 01:10:47,118
they know what they're going to do,
they have a plan, and they will collaborate.

918
01:10:47,118 --> 01:10:51,497
You know,
they're interested in your perspective as well. Honestly,

919
01:10:51,497 --> 01:10:53,166
I spend much more time on

920
01:10:53,166 --> 01:10:59,046
enriching the characters in life and
life and making it as real as possible.

921
01:10:59,088 --> 01:11:02,091
I really throw caution to
the wind and leave it to

922
01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:05,219
the director to get the
tone and the balance correct

923
01:11:05,261 --> 01:11:08,347
between all the performers,
and you know,

924
01:11:08,389 --> 01:11:11,642
delivering a film that
makes sense totally.

925
01:11:11,642 --> 01:11:14,937
But I've worked with great
directors. Now you have a problem,

926
01:11:14,937 --> 01:11:16,230
which I've experienced,

927
01:11:16,230 --> 01:11:19,358
where you work with
a director who you

928
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,154
can't really trust. And
that's very difficult.

929
01:11:23,196 --> 01:11:26,949
Unfortunately, with women,
a lot of the roles that I

930
01:11:26,949 --> 01:11:31,120
played and a lot of the films that I was in,
there wasn't

931
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,539
a lot of background
about who this character is,

932
01:11:33,581 --> 01:11:35,208
so I had to fill
in those blanks.

933
01:11:35,208 --> 01:11:39,253
Starting with "Carrie“, I just literally I read a biography:

934
01:11:39,378 --> 01:11:42,131
Where they eat in the morning,
what do they dress, what do they like to do.

935
01:11:42,131 --> 01:11:46,135
It just informs me it makes
it fuller and richer for me,

936
01:11:46,177 --> 01:11:49,347
because there's often
not a lot on the page.

937
01:11:49,347 --> 01:11:51,265
You'll get canned for this,
you bitch!

938
01:11:51,307 --> 01:11:55,269
One more word from you and I'm gonna knock you down,
do you understand me?!

939
01:11:55,269 --> 01:11:59,357
I did not see Chris Hargensen as a bitch, let's start with that.

940
01:11:59,357 --> 01:12:04,237
I thought that Chris
Hargensen was a pretty cool girl.

941
01:12:04,278 --> 01:12:09,242
And this gal Carrie that I
wouldn't even hang out with,

942
01:12:09,283 --> 01:12:14,455
has just screwed things up
for me. So there. [laughing].

943
01:12:14,497 --> 01:12:17,291
Look at her.
- You eat shit.

944
01:12:17,291 --> 01:12:21,170
You have to find why you like a character
and teenagers are so black and white.

945
01:12:21,170 --> 01:12:24,715
That's what's interesting about having
people in their twenties play that role,

946
01:12:24,757 --> 01:12:27,260
you have a little distance
on and a little perspective,

947
01:12:27,260 --> 01:12:31,138
what I had to wrap myself around was the,
you know, what's driving

948
01:12:31,138 --> 01:12:35,309
her? Why is she doing this? Why
she's so hurt? what's going on at home?

949
01:12:35,309 --> 01:12:40,231
And, you know, why does she feel so entitled to behave this way?

950
01:12:40,231 --> 01:12:42,650
And I would have to
say that the crew really

951
01:12:42,650 --> 01:12:45,319
helped me because whenever John and I,
Travolta,

952
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:49,240
were on the set, everybody laughed,
so I just thought we were really funny.

953
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:53,202
I thought we were comic relief,
but I didn't realize everyone's gonna despise me.

954
01:13:01,210 --> 01:13:03,546
I think "Dressed
to Kill" is first of all,

955
01:13:03,546 --> 01:13:07,341
it's visually stunning. It's an emotional dance,
it's a visual dance.

956
01:13:07,383 --> 01:13:11,220
The film worked on paper, it just did. It was, you could see it.

957
01:13:11,262 --> 01:13:16,225
And I personally wasn't a fan of the slasher aspect of it,

958
01:13:16,225 --> 01:13:21,272
and I always felt that the elevator scene,
you didn't even have to see anything.

959
01:13:21,314 --> 01:13:24,275
my preference would
have been to just see this

960
01:13:24,275 --> 01:13:28,237
character being backed into
the co-- that was enough for me.

961
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,201
I didn't need the blood, but I guess people like that.

962
01:13:38,331 --> 01:13:43,336
The psychological aspects of it rather than the thriller aspects of it

963
01:13:43,336 --> 01:13:47,214
are what I prefer. This
character that I play,

964
01:13:47,256 --> 01:13:51,302
the Liz Blake character,
is a very strong woman,

965
01:13:51,302 --> 01:13:53,804
you can say whatever
you want about her. She

966
01:13:53,804 --> 01:13:56,474
knows what she wants.
And that's what she gets.

967
01:13:56,474 --> 01:14:00,394
Well, what do you think?

968
01:14:00,394 --> 01:14:03,981
Shooting the last scene in “Dressed to Kill",
first of all,

969
01:14:04,023 --> 01:14:07,360
you're in a sound stage,
tiny little corner of a space.

970
01:14:07,401 --> 01:14:08,611
The water's running,

971
01:14:08,653 --> 01:14:12,365
trying to get it a little warmer
so that I don't freeze to death.

972
01:14:12,406 --> 01:14:15,701
It's the dead of winter. I remember the cold,
I remember the wet,

973
01:14:15,701 --> 01:14:18,496
I remember the naked
[laughing] That's what I remember.

974
01:14:24,835 --> 01:14:28,506
There was a mirror, it opened up, that's when the the razor comes out.

975
01:14:33,302 --> 01:14:37,306
Even though someone's lying on the floor,
they're pumping the blood,

976
01:14:37,306 --> 01:14:40,309
is it coming through with
the razor on my throat,

977
01:14:40,309 --> 01:14:46,983
there is something - even though it's
all make believe - that's traumatizing,

978
01:14:46,983 --> 01:14:50,319
when you see blood
gushing out of you.

979
01:14:53,322 --> 01:14:56,867
It does end in a nightmare for her,
so you wonder how

980
01:14:56,909 --> 01:15:01,330
much more she's going to be
going on in her life with all of that.

981
01:15:01,372 --> 01:15:04,417
The big hullabaloo
when the film came out,

982
01:15:04,417 --> 01:15:07,461
had nothing to do
with transgender at all.

983
01:15:07,461 --> 01:15:11,424
It was all about the misogyny. That's what I remember.

984
01:15:11,424 --> 01:15:12,800
Let's face it, you're a whore,

985
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,469
eh? You're a Park Avenue whore,
but you're still a whore.

986
01:15:15,469 --> 01:15:19,348
Fuck you. - No, fuck you.

987
01:15:19,348 --> 01:15:23,477
That bothered me because I - I felt
like Liz Blake was a pretty tough cookie.

988
01:15:23,477 --> 01:15:26,647
She was nobody's fool. And
unlike Angie Dickinson character

989
01:15:26,647 --> 01:15:30,359
who had to be punished for her sexuality,
she had real sexual energy.

990
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:34,488
She was real comfortable with her sexuality. In fact,
it was a business for her.

991
01:15:34,488 --> 01:15:38,367
Do you want to fuck me? - Oh, yes.

992
01:15:38,367 --> 01:15:42,496
I think it would be very hard to get
that film made today with that script,

993
01:15:42,496 --> 01:15:47,418
with that transgender character being the killer, maybe impossible.

994
01:15:47,418 --> 01:15:50,629
What's important about
that film is what we didn't

995
01:15:50,629 --> 01:15:53,591
know and how unconscious
we were at that time.

996
01:15:53,591 --> 01:15:58,471
For better or for worse, we're more conscious now,
or self conscious in a way,

997
01:15:58,471 --> 01:16:01,307
now everybody seems
very self conscious to

998
01:16:01,307 --> 01:16:04,393
me about everything.
We're still understanding

999
01:16:04,393 --> 01:16:08,147
and still trying to understand
some of the complications

1000
01:16:08,189 --> 01:16:11,400
of a character like the
Michael Caine character.

1001
01:16:14,403 --> 01:16:17,281
I do not gravitate
to scary films,

1002
01:16:17,323 --> 01:16:21,619
but I'm not afraid of them
either. I like suspense,

1003
01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:23,537
I like jeopardy in films,

1004
01:16:23,579 --> 01:16:29,418
I do. Sol guess I like feeling a
little bit out of control or - or whatever,

1005
01:16:29,460 --> 01:16:33,506
but I don't like slasher films.
Don't like just blood and guts,

1006
01:16:33,506 --> 01:16:36,509
I'd like to be a little
bit smarter than that.

1007
01:16:54,443 --> 01:17:00,449
Barbara Hershey in “The Entity" is
attacked by a sexual being of some sort,

1008
01:17:00,449 --> 01:17:02,618
and it's very realistic and very disturbing.

1009
01:17:10,584 --> 01:17:15,131
It was apparently based on a
true story that had happened seven,

1010
01:17:15,172 --> 01:17:18,509
eight years previous
to the making of the film,

1011
01:17:18,509 --> 01:17:21,095
about this woman
who was terrorized,

1012
01:17:21,095 --> 01:17:24,598
and you know,
raped sexually by this - this ghost.

1013
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,686
Barbara Hershey gives an excellent performance in the lead role.

1014
01:17:28,686 --> 01:17:34,608
Ron Silver's in it. It's a small film, it's actually quite effective.

1015
01:17:34,608 --> 01:17:36,569
You think I'm insane.

1016
01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:42,533
Insane? That means different things to different people,
Carla.

1017
01:17:42,533 --> 01:17:46,036
It was so realistic,
because of all the things she was

1018
01:17:46,036 --> 01:17:49,623
doing and the bruises. That
would have been a hard role.

1019
01:17:49,623 --> 01:17:51,458
- You'll wait 'till I'm alone,

1020
01:17:51,458 --> 01:17:55,629
won't you? Then you'll come forth to hurt me,
to hurt my children!

1021
01:17:55,629 --> 01:17:59,675
Stan Winston was
responsible for this moment

1022
01:17:59,717 --> 01:18:04,638
where you see Barbara
Hershey's character nude in bed,

1023
01:18:04,638 --> 01:18:09,643
and you see the entity fondling her. It's an excellent effect,

1024
01:18:09,643 --> 01:18:13,606
he and his team created
a fake body for Barbara

1025
01:18:13,647 --> 01:18:17,651
and she was underneath
the bed on a slant board,

1026
01:18:17,693 --> 01:18:23,657
Stan was underneath her reaching up
past her to manipulate the the breasts.

1027
01:18:23,699 --> 01:18:26,577
So he would had cups
on the interior of the breast

1028
01:18:26,577 --> 01:18:29,580
and when he pulled his fingers in,
from the outside,

1029
01:18:29,622 --> 01:18:34,168
it would look as if invisible
fingers were pressing. And his other

1030
01:18:34,168 --> 01:18:38,756
crew were gently manipulating
the fake arms and legs of this body.

1031
01:18:38,756 --> 01:18:44,678
Barbara Hershey was exhausted by
doing “The Entity" because first of all,

1032
01:18:44,678 --> 01:18:49,558
she had to be naked. She had to act
like somebody was having sex with her.

1033
01:18:49,558 --> 01:18:52,061
She's got all these
people on set. With me,

1034
01:18:52,061 --> 01:18:55,689
when I'm acting like possessed or something,
I feel ridiculous.

1035
01:18:55,689 --> 01:19:00,569
I'm sure all that was running through our head when she was doing it.

1036
01:19:00,569 --> 01:19:02,446
But when you
see the final movie,

1037
01:19:02,446 --> 01:19:06,617
it's very realistic. And she did a
great job. That had been so hard to do.

1038
01:19:06,617 --> 01:19:13,582
Welcome home.

1039
01:19:27,137 --> 01:19:29,807
The goriest nastiest
thing that kind of stuck

1040
01:19:29,807 --> 01:19:32,810
with me growing up wasn't
anything that Jason did,

1041
01:19:32,810 --> 01:19:35,604
or Freddy Krueger did
or Michael Myers did.

1042
01:19:35,604 --> 01:19:38,691
It was Lucio Fulci‘s
"City of the Living Dead".

1043
01:19:46,657 --> 01:19:49,618
The living dead part kind of throws you off.

1044
01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:54,623
It's a more supernatural movie.

1045
01:20:00,629 --> 01:20:04,842
Almost like it was tacked on to kind of ride the Romero train.

1046
01:20:08,178 --> 01:20:11,307
The original title was “City of
the Living Dead“. But when they

1047
01:20:11,348 --> 01:20:14,685
brought it over to America,
they changed it to "The Gates of Hell".

1048
01:20:14,685 --> 01:20:16,937
“The Gates of Hell"
ad seemed like it

1049
01:20:16,979 --> 01:20:19,690
was just warning you
to not watch this movie.

1050
01:20:19,690 --> 01:20:21,608
It had like a long
explanation about why it

1051
01:20:21,608 --> 01:20:23,736
wasn't rated but you
can't come see this movie.

1052
01:20:23,736 --> 01:20:26,697
I remember the image of
“The Gates of Hell" thing,

1053
01:20:26,697 --> 01:20:30,784
thinking it was going to be the
most terrifying thing I've ever seen.

1054
01:20:30,784 --> 01:20:34,705
Just a really effective marketing campaign. To a 12 year old.

1055
01:20:34,705 --> 01:20:40,878
I saw a priest who by hanging himself, opened the gates of hell.

1056
01:20:40,878 --> 01:20:45,632
It was almost like this gothic
zombie tale surrounding

1057
01:20:45,632 --> 01:20:49,803
this priest trying to bring
about the apocalypse

1058
01:20:49,845 --> 01:20:51,347
in this small town,

1059
01:20:51,347 --> 01:20:55,809
and the protagonists basically
trying to shut the portal to hell.

1060
01:21:01,690 --> 01:21:06,320
A dude is sitting in his
pickup truck with his lady,

1061
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:12,910
and she turns and looks at him after
seeing this priest flash before eyes,

1062
01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:17,206
and she just starts puking
her own guts out. And it

1063
01:21:17,206 --> 01:21:21,794
goes on a lot longer than
you would expect [laughing].

1064
01:21:21,794 --> 01:21:24,922
It's super gnarly. And that always stuck with me.

1065
01:21:29,718 --> 01:21:31,720
And there's some kind of a kidney looking thing and then

1066
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,515
here comes some sausage
intestines and then there's

1067
01:21:34,515 --> 01:21:37,810
a heart like thing and it's just like,
it just doesn't stop.

1068
01:21:45,275 --> 01:21:47,152
It has, to me,

1069
01:21:47,194 --> 01:21:52,866
the best kill. The father holding
homeboy’s head down and the drill coming in,

1070
01:21:52,866 --> 01:21:58,747
and just giving him the full on Black and Decker lobotomy.

1071
01:22:03,752 --> 01:22:07,756
It's so sick. To this clay, it's one of my favorite Fulci movies.

1072
01:22:20,769 --> 01:22:25,774
“Pieces" is as the tagline says, "exactly what you think it is“.

1073
01:22:25,774 --> 01:22:29,903
This is a movie they were trying to
capitalize on the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre".

1074
01:22:32,906 --> 01:22:38,787
A maniac killer going around a college,
chopping up a bevvy of

1075
01:22:38,787 --> 01:22:45,002
beautiful women to basically create one perfect,
beautiful woman.

1076
01:22:48,797 --> 01:22:52,759
And the fact that
this is still such an

1077
01:22:52,801 --> 01:22:57,890
underground movie is
criminal. The gore is insane.

1078
01:22:57,890 --> 01:23:04,897
There's so much blood everywhere,
it's almost like you can just smell the guts.

1079
01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:13,030
I would have to turn in my horror card
if I didn't say that the greatest scene

1080
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:20,913
in almost any '80s horror film was not Linda George shouting,
"Bastard!"

1081
01:23:20,954 --> 01:23:27,836
Bastard! Bastard!

1082
01:23:27,836 --> 01:23:31,840
There was a major red herring in the
film. There's a guy who's the groundskeeper,

1083
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,302
walking around with a chainsaw,
played by Paul Smith,

1084
01:23:35,302 --> 01:23:38,931
who was Bluto in the "Popeye“ movie,
and also in "Dune".

1085
01:23:38,972 --> 01:23:43,060
You think that he is going
to be the killer. It's one

1086
01:23:43,060 --> 01:23:47,064
of the most blatantly
obvious not red herrings ever.

1087
01:23:47,105 --> 01:23:50,108
He's walking around,
he's got the chainsaw,

1088
01:23:50,108 --> 01:23:53,987
he loves his chainsaw,
and people are dying by chainsaw.

1089
01:23:53,987 --> 01:24:01,954
If anything,
you have to see it for the ending. You will not see this one coming.

1090
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:23,433
Lucio Fulci‘s “The Beyond" is a fantastic movie that I think,
one,

1091
01:24:23,433 --> 01:24:27,896
not only captures the essence
of who he was as a filmmaker,

1092
01:24:27,896 --> 01:24:32,025
but I also think in a really great
way it's really a fantastic sort of

1093
01:24:32,067 --> 01:24:36,947
celebration of the weirdness that is New Orleans,
specifically in the early 1980s.

1094
01:24:36,989 --> 01:24:42,327
The movie is centered on a young woman who inherits mysteriously a hotel,
and then

1095
01:24:42,327 --> 01:24:47,916
ultimately finds out that the hotel is centered over one of the gates of hell,
darn.

1096
01:24:47,916 --> 01:24:51,044
This hotel is one of the seven gateways of hell.

1097
01:24:51,044 --> 01:24:54,256
And I think in the
first 30 seconds,

1098
01:24:54,256 --> 01:24:59,928
we've already got flesh ripping,
really ghastly gruesome effects.

1099
01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:01,680
Which for the vmrk
of Glannetlao Do Raoul,

1100
01:25:01,722 --> 01:25:05,017
who is one of the greatest sort of
Italian special effects artists over there,

1101
01:25:05,058 --> 01:25:11,023
and it just never stops from there. It's
just a constant barrage of horribleness.

1102
01:25:13,525 --> 01:25:17,154
He also taps into my fear of big spiders as well,
in Fulci's world

1103
01:25:17,154 --> 01:25:21,074
tarantulas are going to come for
you and they're going to eat your face.

1104
01:25:21,074 --> 01:25:25,037
You have like these little
munching spiders coming

1105
01:25:25,037 --> 01:25:29,041
through eating the guy's
flesh and tearing it away.

1106
01:25:29,041 --> 01:25:33,128
Basically, it sounds, you know, like,
there's like a bunch of people at a buffet.

1107
01:25:35,505 --> 01:25:38,634
There's a great set
piece at the hospital. It's

1108
01:25:38,634 --> 01:25:42,012
just like a constant barrage
of reanimated corpses.

1109
01:25:42,012 --> 01:25:48,060
They're trying to fight their way out
and it just like it doesn't stop. Eyes were

1110
01:25:48,101 --> 01:25:54,066
definitely a motif in "The Beyond“ that
we saw sort of utilized again and again,

1111
01:25:54,066 --> 01:25:56,652
we have Joe the handyman
who basically finds

1112
01:25:56,652 --> 01:26:00,238
himself being blinded in both
eyes from after being attacked.

1113
01:26:02,991 --> 01:26:05,661
And then you have a
housekeeper who ends up getting

1114
01:26:05,661 --> 01:26:08,997
sort of pushed onto a large
spike and her eye pops out as well.

1115
01:26:08,997 --> 01:26:13,669
And then you have characters in
the movie who also go blind. It's a

1116
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:19,091
really weird and wild movie,
but you wouldn't expect anything less from Fulci.

1117
01:26:34,022 --> 01:26:36,066
I wanted to make a monster movie.

1118
01:26:39,611 --> 01:26:44,074
I wrote "The Being" when I was 23. I
was fascinated by the idea of horror,

1119
01:26:44,074 --> 01:26:49,371
because I love eliciting a reaction.
A nuclear waste dump produces a

1120
01:26:49,371 --> 01:26:55,085
monster that wreaks havoc on a small
town while he's looking for his mom.

1121
01:26:55,085 --> 01:27:00,340
[laughing] okay? Alright? There's
always a human element there,

1122
01:27:00,382 --> 01:27:03,093
my sort of weird sense of humor.

1123
01:27:03,093 --> 01:27:07,222
I think that is the
thread you see in all my

1124
01:27:07,264 --> 01:27:12,102
films. I went over to Martin
Landau's acting studio,

1125
01:27:12,144 --> 01:27:16,148
because I wanted Martin Landau on my film. And I said,
“You know,

1126
01:27:16,148 --> 01:27:21,194
Mr. Landau, I really don't want to be in your acting class,
no offense. [laughing]

1127
01:27:21,194 --> 01:27:25,157
I'm a director, and I want you to be in my film".

1128
01:27:25,198 --> 01:27:30,287
And he was so wonderful. I pulled the
script out of my bag and gave it to him,

1129
01:27:30,287 --> 01:27:34,124
and he goes,
"I'll read it." and he read it that night and he said he'd do it.

1130
01:27:34,166 --> 01:27:38,712
And he was instrumental in getting
Jose Ferrer who was a friend of his,

1131
01:27:38,712 --> 01:27:40,213
and Dorothy Malone.

1132
01:27:40,213 --> 01:27:46,052
I had two Academy Award
winning actors in my first horror

1133
01:27:46,094 --> 01:27:52,309
film. I even spent so much
time trying to design the monster,

1134
01:27:52,350 --> 01:27:55,228
and finally everyone said,
"Stop designing the monster,

1135
01:27:55,228 --> 01:27:57,147
start making the
movie." [laughing]

1136
01:28:01,109 --> 01:28:04,029
I may have been
heavy handed with it,

1137
01:28:04,029 --> 01:28:09,117
but it still works. Of this denial
about environmental disasters.

1138
01:28:09,117 --> 01:28:13,038
I mean,
Martin Landau says with dead seriousness that dumping

1139
01:28:13,038 --> 01:28:17,250
nuclear waste into the aquifer
will not affect the drinking water.

1140
01:28:17,250 --> 01:28:20,504
He even does the
demonstration: Pouring the water,

1141
01:28:20,545 --> 01:28:23,131
drinking the water,
"Mmmmmm, delicious".

1142
01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:27,260
This goes on
today. It was chilling,

1143
01:28:27,260 --> 01:28:32,140
unpredictable. And
a slice of Americana.

1144
01:28:32,140 --> 01:28:39,147
I learned a lot making that movie [laughing]. It wasn't a perfect film,
but I have to say, you

1145
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:46,279
know, I have certain fans that come to me
and tell me it's their favorite film that I've made.

1146
01:29:04,172 --> 01:29:06,049
Michael Mann directs "The Keep“,

1147
01:29:06,049 --> 01:29:10,303
which I think is one of his best
movies. That's a Pandora's Box movie.

1148
01:29:10,303 --> 01:29:14,140
It's like "The Mummy",
we don't want to let whatever‘s in the

1149
01:29:14,182 --> 01:29:18,353
keep out. The reason it's in the
keep it supposed to stay in there.

1150
01:29:18,395 --> 01:29:24,192
Never touch the crosses. Never!

1151
01:29:24,192 --> 01:29:28,196
And the Nazis have to
control this keep. And of course

1152
01:29:28,196 --> 01:29:32,325
they can't not open up the
keep and find out what is in.

1153
01:29:37,205 --> 01:29:40,834
What we find out is inside
is Scott Glenn. [chuckles]

1154
01:29:40,834 --> 01:29:44,337
You don't want to let Scott
Glenn out on the world.

1155
01:29:44,337 --> 01:29:49,342
Don't touch that.

1156
01:29:51,303 --> 01:29:56,057
The reason why “The Keep"
has a cult following is that it is both

1157
01:29:56,057 --> 01:30:01,229
very '80s and very unique. The sound design,
the look of it, the music.

1158
01:30:01,271 --> 01:30:05,066
It's all very unlike
what you would see in a

1159
01:30:05,066 --> 01:30:09,237
World War ll movie where
a monster kills people.

1160
01:30:09,279 --> 01:30:14,367
Michael Mann, just like on his previous movie "Thief",
he used "Tangerine

1161
01:30:14,367 --> 01:30:19,372
Dream" for the soundtrack and it's
these moody synthesized soundscapes,

1162
01:30:19,372 --> 01:30:23,335
which is again something you don't
normally hear in a World War ll movie.

1163
01:30:29,799 --> 01:30:33,929
The villain of the movie, Molasar,
has a really interesting look. When he

1164
01:30:33,970 --> 01:30:38,391
first appears he's this giant mass of
muscle and sinew with a skull for a head,

1165
01:30:38,433 --> 01:30:41,353
it almost looks like somebody's skinned the Incredible Hulk.

1166
01:30:41,353 --> 01:30:46,274
On the soldiers of black. - I will destroy them!

1167
01:30:46,274 --> 01:30:47,275
And then later,

1168
01:30:47,317 --> 01:30:50,362
he gets more complete and he takes
on almost this Golem-like appearance,

1169
01:30:50,403 --> 01:30:53,907
which is pretty appropriate
considering the Golem is a

1170
01:30:53,907 --> 01:30:57,410
creature from Jewish
mythology and he's killing Nazis.

1171
01:31:04,292 --> 01:31:07,212
The movie had a very troubled
production. Michael Mann's

1172
01:31:07,212 --> 01:31:10,340
original cut was supposed to
be three and a half hours long,

1173
01:31:10,340 --> 01:31:12,342
but they forced him to
cut it down to a little over

1174
01:31:12,384 --> 01:31:14,511
an hour and a half. So as
a result in the final movie,

1175
01:31:14,511 --> 01:31:17,305
there's a lot of the elements that aren't really explained.

1176
01:31:17,305 --> 01:31:21,643
For example, Scott Glenn's character,
you're not exactly sure what his

1177
01:31:21,643 --> 01:31:26,523
connection to the villain is or why he's
got these - these supernatural powers.

1178
01:31:26,523 --> 01:31:30,276
Michael Mann was very
disappointed in the movie and

1179
01:31:30,276 --> 01:31:34,531
has basically tried to bury
it ever since it was released.

1180
01:31:38,326 --> 01:31:42,288
Michael, if you're watching this,
I know you don't like this movie, but there are

1181
01:31:42,288 --> 01:31:46,376
people out there who do. So, you know,
maybe consider giving it a high def release.

1182
01:31:59,347 --> 01:32:00,598
In the '80s,

1183
01:32:00,598 --> 01:32:04,394
having the kids be part of the
story and an integral part of the story,

1184
01:32:04,394 --> 01:32:08,356
instead ofjust someone's offspring, became more popular.

1185
01:32:08,356 --> 01:32:12,402
And it became more part of the story engine than just on the side.

1186
01:32:12,402 --> 01:32:15,196
We progressed out of that
as just a cutesy little kind of,

1187
01:32:15,196 --> 01:32:18,366
"I'm the kid with the freckles",
on an episode of "The Love Boat"

1188
01:32:18,366 --> 01:32:22,078
into being chased by guys with
axes and monsters with dynamite,

1189
01:32:22,078 --> 01:32:25,415
and cars that come alive.
Stuff that can really get you.

1190
01:32:25,415 --> 01:32:31,379
Anytime you put a young kid in a - in a scary story,
it really brings it home.

1191
01:32:36,926 --> 01:32:39,804
You put them in groups, you put kids in peril,
you put them in adventures,

1192
01:32:39,804 --> 01:32:42,390
it becomes this whole thing,
and you're just wrapped up in emotion

1193
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:44,517
because these are kids, you want them to succeed.

1194
01:32:44,559 --> 01:32:48,271
So you go all the way back to the
original kid in a - in a horror story,

1195
01:32:48,271 --> 01:32:49,522
is when Frankenstein's

1196
01:32:49,522 --> 01:32:53,860
monster kills a little girl by the pond.
That had to have been absolutely

1197
01:32:53,860 --> 01:32:58,615
astonishing to people at that time,
that really punches you right in the chest,

1198
01:32:58,615 --> 01:33:01,534
where it's like, wow, some harm came to this kid.

1199
01:33:01,534 --> 01:33:05,997
There was a rule for a while
that you cannot kill off a kid.

1200
01:33:05,997 --> 01:33:10,418
And I don't think I do except
for in "the Being". [laughing]

1201
01:33:10,418 --> 01:33:13,505
I think I cross the line
on that one. But I love

1202
01:33:13,505 --> 01:33:16,508
working with kids. They
love that role playing.

1203
01:33:16,508 --> 01:33:22,639
They know how to react to what's happening,
and get totally immersed in the scene

1204
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:25,558
without being self conscious.

1205
01:33:28,978 --> 01:33:32,690
I have always loved watching
young performers anyway.

1206
01:33:32,690 --> 01:33:37,570
Because it's amazing to me that
someone can have that kind of ability.

1207
01:33:37,570 --> 01:33:42,200
Sometimes they grow up to be
tremendous actors because of that,

1208
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,702
and other times
they're fuck ups.

1209
01:33:44,702 --> 01:33:47,872
But working with kids is a whole
other thing that a lot of people

1210
01:33:47,872 --> 01:33:51,459
don't understand if they've never
been in production with younger actors,

1211
01:33:51,459 --> 01:33:54,212
because there's restraints on time. They can,
you know, depending on

1212
01:33:54,212 --> 01:33:57,465
how old you are,
there's different levels of how long you can actually be on set.

1213
01:33:57,465 --> 01:33:59,884
There's even minimums or
maximums of how long you can be

1214
01:33:59,884 --> 01:34:02,720
in front of the camera which adds
into how long you can be on set.

1215
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:05,473
You have to go to school every day.
There's a reason why they say they

1216
01:34:05,515 --> 01:34:08,601
don't want to work with kids,
it really is a pain in the ass for a production.

1217
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:16,401
"Halloween ll|“ and
on Halloween night,

1218
01:34:16,401 --> 01:34:23,658
all these masks are going to eat
the kids faces and brains and kill them.

1219
01:34:29,622 --> 01:34:34,460
It gives me chills thinking about it.
I want everybody to be reassured,

1220
01:34:34,460 --> 01:34:37,714
when I'm standing there
on the phone screaming,

1221
01:34:37,714 --> 01:34:41,009
Please stop it,
stop it, turn it off,

1222
01:34:41,009 --> 01:34:45,722
stop it turn off the final channel. Stop it,
Stop it!

1223
01:34:45,722 --> 01:34:50,560
All the children were saved. You can take that to the bank.

1224
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,771
When you're a kid,
other kids getting killed on screen is much more

1225
01:34:53,771 --> 01:34:57,650
affecting than if you see their, you know,
somebody's grandfather getting killed.

1226
01:35:01,529 --> 01:35:04,991
It became very trendy to
have at least one or two

1227
01:35:04,991 --> 01:35:08,745
kids or a group of kids
going against the antagonist.

1228
01:35:08,786 --> 01:35:15,585
They would assemble this group of
- of plucky kids to try and take down,

1229
01:35:15,627 --> 01:35:19,756
you know,
this incredibly disturbing force.

1230
01:35:19,756 --> 01:35:22,342
As a kid growing up in the '80s,

1231
01:35:22,342 --> 01:35:27,639
it was cool to kind of be able
to see myself reflected in that.

1232
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:32,810
It was empowering to see that, especially as a poor kid.

1233
01:35:40,151 --> 01:35:44,239
I think a lot of it came
from the writings of Stephen

1234
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:48,785
King. I mean "Cujo" has the kid,
"it" has a group of kids.

1235
01:35:48,785 --> 01:35:52,580
I mean,
he was kind of the inventor of that sub genre,

1236
01:35:52,580 --> 01:35:54,624
if you want to call it that.

1237
01:35:54,624 --> 01:35:58,336
Stephen King certainly has exploited
Children as - children as victims,

1238
01:35:58,336 --> 01:35:59,796
children as evil, you know,

1239
01:35:59,796 --> 01:36:04,968
ancl - and done it really quite well. I think it's an interesting tool,
because I

1240
01:36:04,968 --> 01:36:10,598
think we become - as the audience - very conflicted,
because right away, it's a child.

1241
01:36:10,598 --> 01:36:13,810
So you have all of these
mixed mixed emotions,

1242
01:36:13,810 --> 01:36:16,771
about how you're
supposed to feel about it.

1243
01:36:20,608 --> 01:36:23,736
One of Stephen's tricks
is to put kids in jeopardy,

1244
01:36:23,736 --> 01:36:28,658
it's a little bit too effective, I think,
because it gets mimicked all the time.

1245
01:36:28,658 --> 01:36:33,621
And it's one of those things that I resent,
it becomes a trope. Now, the kid

1246
01:36:33,663 --> 01:36:38,626
is being victimized so our heroes are
justified in doing anything they want.

1247
01:36:38,626 --> 01:36:39,752
They're morally excused,

1248
01:36:39,752 --> 01:36:42,839
ethically excused from anything
because there's a child involved.

1249
01:36:45,216 --> 01:36:50,305
Gage in "Pet Cemetery" is interesting,
because in the beginning,

1250
01:36:50,305 --> 01:36:55,727
he is just an innocent little kid,
and he gets killed devastatingly.

1251
01:37:00,690 --> 01:37:02,233
After I became a father,

1252
01:37:02,233 --> 01:37:06,654
that scene had so much more
weight than it did when I was younger.

1253
01:37:06,696 --> 01:37:09,073
But it's interesting
because he is the

1254
01:37:09,073 --> 01:37:11,784
poster child for
innocence in the beginning.

1255
01:37:11,826 --> 01:37:13,786
Hi daddy, I love you.

1256
01:37:13,828 --> 01:37:19,709
And then after he gets buried in the pet cemetery,
he comes back as the villain.

1257
01:37:21,252 --> 01:37:25,840
'Gage 2.0' comes in and cuts Fred Gwynne's Achilles tendon.

1258
01:37:25,882 --> 01:37:26,883
It's such a simple move,

1259
01:37:26,924 --> 01:37:29,719
but it's so cruel and it's so
effective and it's so horrifying.

1260
01:37:38,728 --> 01:37:44,567
I don't scare easily. The moment
that is iconic for me out of the 1980s,

1261
01:37:44,609 --> 01:37:50,823
is the twins from “The Shining",
they bothered me. And they stayed with me.

1262
01:37:50,823 --> 01:37:54,077
The twins at the end of the hallway,
every time I'm in a hotel,

1263
01:37:54,118 --> 01:37:56,746
and I'm in a hallway alone,
that comes back for me

1264
01:37:56,746 --> 01:37:57,914
and I have this moment of like,

1265
01:37:57,914 --> 01:37:59,916
please don't let the
hallway feel longer than it is.

1266
01:37:59,916 --> 01:38:03,920
That is just a spooky ass thing. And the kid is wonderful in it.

1267
01:38:06,756 --> 01:38:12,512
There's such a sadness about that,
that's a lot of responsibility, to have that awareness,

1268
01:38:12,512 --> 01:38:17,892
to have that knowing,
to have that power. It's a lot of responsibility for a child.

1269
01:38:21,771 --> 01:38:24,023
That was the
slow kill for me too,

1270
01:38:24,023 --> 01:38:27,860
was the kid 'cause he would
sit there and you knew he knew.

1271
01:38:27,860 --> 01:38:34,867
There's nothing worse for a child to know.
Adults it's okay. But when a child embraces

1272
01:38:34,867 --> 01:38:41,833
you know - I know something that they don't know,
then it becomes really terrifying.

1273
01:38:46,796 --> 01:38:52,176
And as a child, of course,
you tend to feel powerless. And the fantasy of

1274
01:38:52,176 --> 01:38:57,807
being able to telekinetically punish one's enemies,
was really intoxicating.

1275
01:38:57,807 --> 01:39:00,435
It just appealed to my,
you know,

1276
01:39:00,476 --> 01:39:06,816
frustrated powerlessness that I felt as a child,
that I think most children feel.

1277
01:39:12,822 --> 01:39:18,035
Just for a moment in our lives
when we felt that powerless the,

1278
01:39:18,077 --> 01:39:22,874
you know,
the bully or the cruelty that we've experienced.

1279
01:39:22,874 --> 01:39:27,003
I'm wishing I had a little of the power
myself right now in the world [laughing].

1280
01:39:43,853 --> 01:39:45,897
"The Black Cat" by Lucio Fulci,

1281
01:39:45,897 --> 01:39:49,942
many times the Edgar Allan
Poe story was adapted in the film.

1282
01:39:49,984 --> 01:39:55,907
There was a 1934 film with Karloff and
Lugosi; there was the 1940s film with Lugosi

1283
01:39:55,907 --> 01:40:01,913
also; and then there was one in the '60s
which had a Vincent Price and Peter Lorre,

1284
01:40:01,913 --> 01:40:06,959
all of them were very loose adaptations, and so is this one.

1285
01:40:09,420 --> 01:40:13,966
This one is nothing subtle at all, this is about a killer cat.

1286
01:40:21,474 --> 01:40:24,727
It doesn't just murder people,
it murders the shit out of

1287
01:40:24,769 --> 01:40:28,064
them. This cat could take on Michael Myers,
it's a beast.

1288
01:40:28,064 --> 01:40:34,987
There's horror movies where people burn to
death. And then there's horror movies where

1289
01:40:34,987 --> 01:40:41,994
people get thrown out of windows. Well,
in "Black Cat" you get both at the same time.

1290
01:40:49,460 --> 01:40:51,003
Holy shit.

1291
01:40:53,005 --> 01:40:55,800
Some of the other movies
kind of use the black

1292
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:59,011
cat as a symbol like a
metaphor for evil or something,

1293
01:40:59,053 --> 01:41:02,598
but this one is just going
right for the jugular. That cat is

1294
01:41:02,598 --> 01:41:06,102
going to leap out and tear
your fucking face off [chuckles].

1295
01:41:25,204 --> 01:41:28,207
"Suspiria" gets all the love, but "Tenebrae" is my favorite Argento.

1296
01:41:28,207 --> 01:41:30,376
There's something
about the way Argento

1297
01:41:30,376 --> 01:41:33,045
paces a scene where you
know something's coming,

1298
01:41:33,045 --> 01:41:35,381
because you're watching
a horror movie and you've

1299
01:41:35,381 --> 01:41:38,009
seen horror movies. $0 you
know that's- that's the deal,

1300
01:41:38,009 --> 01:41:41,262
but he waits just a little too long,
so that when he finally delivers it,

1301
01:41:41,262 --> 01:41:44,223
it's a different kind of catharsis
than your average slasher movie.

1302
01:41:52,023 --> 01:41:56,068
I love stories about writers. For me,
that's just one of my sort

1303
01:41:56,068 --> 01:42:00,072
of cinematic catnips. Tony Franciosa,
in this movie he's playing

1304
01:42:00,072 --> 01:42:02,575
an author who basically
there's a killer out

1305
01:42:02,617 --> 01:42:05,036
there who's mimicking
things from his book,

1306
01:42:05,077 --> 01:42:07,663
and then he's sort of dealing
with the ramifications of that,

1307
01:42:07,705 --> 01:42:09,248
in Italy,
while he's on a book tour.

1308
01:42:09,290 --> 01:42:14,420
And his manager in the movie is John
Saxon who is a delight. It's such a complete

1309
01:42:14,420 --> 01:42:20,092
departure for him from being Lieutenant
Thompson in the "Nightmare on Elm Street" movies.

1310
01:42:20,134 --> 01:42:22,011
Doesn't it drop off?
- Drop off?

1311
01:42:22,011 --> 01:42:27,183
Yeah, I mean if you make a [clapping sound] quick movement, won't it slip off?
- Look.

1312
01:42:27,183 --> 01:42:31,395
I really love Daria Nicolodi in it,
who was a frequent collaborator with Dario Argento,

1313
01:42:31,395 --> 01:42:35,274
and I don't think she gets enough
credit for the writing that she did with him.

1314
01:42:35,316 --> 01:42:38,486
Some of the camerawork
in that movie is absolutely,

1315
01:42:38,486 --> 01:42:40,321
like just astonishingly great.

1316
01:42:48,079 --> 01:42:52,792
The way that that
camera moves is so fluid,

1317
01:42:52,792 --> 01:43:00,341
and so wonderful. There is this
huge switch that happens in the movie.

1318
01:43:00,341 --> 01:43:04,762
You think you know the game that's being played,
and then ultimately,

1319
01:43:04,762 --> 01:43:09,183
halfway through the movie,
it takes a completely different direction.

1320
01:43:15,147 --> 01:43:19,151
A woman is sitting in her house,
and she's sitting there with a gun in her hand,

1321
01:43:19,151 --> 01:43:21,153
and the killer out of
nowhere just kind of comes to

1322
01:43:21,153 --> 01:43:23,322
the window and chops her
hand off with the gun in it.

1323
01:43:27,201 --> 01:43:32,164
And then she gets up and there's just
this crimson spray of blood everywhere,

1324
01:43:32,164 --> 01:43:37,336
and of course,
everything has white walls. So it looks amazing. It's beautiful.

1325
01:43:37,336 --> 01:43:40,715
Like it shouldn't be beautiful,
this should be horrifying. But yet

1326
01:43:40,715 --> 01:43:44,301
there's something so stunning
about the way that that blood would hit,

1327
01:43:44,301 --> 01:43:47,680
and especially Italian blood was
always notoriously much more red

1328
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:51,267
and much more vibrant than the
blood we were using here in the States.

1329
01:43:51,308 --> 01:43:55,020
It's really captures everything
that you love about Giallo movies,

1330
01:43:55,020 --> 01:43:59,191
but does it in a different way that
we really hadn't seen from him before.

1331
01:43:59,233 --> 01:44:02,528
It's one of the standouts
amongst Argento's filmography,

1332
01:44:02,528 --> 01:44:04,363
specifically during the 1980s.

1333
01:44:20,212 --> 01:44:23,382
“C.H.U.D" stars John Hurt
and Daniel Stern. It's got early

1334
01:44:23,382 --> 01:44:27,386
appearances by Cohen Brothers main
stays like Jon Polito as a newscaster,

1335
01:44:27,386 --> 01:44:31,432
and John Goodman, who alongside Jay Thomas are cops in a diner.

1336
01:44:38,230 --> 01:44:42,401
The concept of going underground and mutant homeless people

1337
01:44:42,401 --> 01:44:44,737
that are mutated
through the nuclear waste

1338
01:44:44,779 --> 01:44:47,323
that was being stored
underground in New York,

1339
01:44:47,364 --> 01:44:52,244
and it was great. So somebody had that Death Wish,
dirty New York setting

1340
01:44:52,244 --> 01:44:57,333
with the isolation of the underground tunnels,
and then the mutant monsters.

1341
01:45:04,256 --> 01:45:08,052
So it had a great mixture of
elements. The idea of cannibalistic

1342
01:45:08,052 --> 01:45:11,347
humanoid underground
dwellers is a brilliant one really.

1343
01:45:11,347 --> 01:45:13,474
And then obviously
the bit at the start,

1344
01:45:13,474 --> 01:45:17,353
where the puppy and the woman get
pulled out from the underground manhole.

1345
01:45:35,746 --> 01:45:39,792
"Terror in the Aisles" is a great
compilation film and it really

1346
01:45:39,834 --> 01:45:44,296
does explore the thoughts, the feelings,
the how and the why of it all.

1347
01:45:44,296 --> 01:45:51,428
Say, how they do that?
- That's the trick, isn't it? Once the lights go down.

1348
01:45:51,428 --> 01:45:55,641
You're only watching
clips of these movies,

1349
01:45:55,683 --> 01:46:02,398
but somehow all put together like that,
it was absolutely terrifying.

1350
01:46:02,398 --> 01:46:08,320
And unfortunately, in these movies,
the victim is almost always a woman.

1351
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:10,865
And I watched it on a
VHS and I remember

1352
01:46:10,865 --> 01:46:14,410
having to stop it because I
was getting so rattled by it.

1353
01:46:14,410 --> 01:46:18,330
[screaming woman in background] Get him!

1354
01:46:18,372 --> 01:46:23,419
It certainly packs a very different
punch. It's - it's pretty frightening.

1355
01:46:23,460 --> 01:46:29,508
Why make up horrible things when there is so much real terror.

1356
01:46:29,550 --> 01:46:33,554
We can enjoy the jeopardy,
we can have a good scream, a good laugh,

1357
01:46:33,596 --> 01:46:37,349
and laugh at ourselves for having
been tricked the way we have.

1358
01:46:37,391 --> 01:46:40,853
It's just fun. You know, it's just a fun thing.

1359
01:46:40,853 --> 01:46:45,357
And you're sitting in a theater, which is relatively safe.

1360
01:46:45,399 --> 01:46:47,776
There are two reasons that
I wanted to do "Terror in the

1361
01:46:47,776 --> 01:46:50,362
Aisles". I love the idea of it,
I love those movies, you know,

1362
01:46:50,404 --> 01:46:54,742
and I think those genres are really great
and... But I also wanted to meet Donald

1363
01:46:54,783 --> 01:46:59,455
Pleasence, who I was a great fan of,
and I didn't get to meet him so I was devastated.

1364
01:46:59,455 --> 01:47:02,541
That was something, wasn't it?

1365
01:47:15,554 --> 01:47:21,477
“Silent Night, Deadly Night" is about Catholic guilt,
I think [laughing].

1366
01:47:24,438 --> 01:47:27,858
I didn't really even know the
controversy until years later,

1367
01:47:27,858 --> 01:47:32,446
when it came to pass that like this was
the harsh black mark on Christmas of '84.

1368
01:47:32,488 --> 01:47:38,535
there was a big hue and cry about
turning Santa Claus into a serial killer.

1369
01:47:42,039 --> 01:47:45,459
This scared people and made it want to be banned.

1370
01:47:45,501 --> 01:47:52,466
It is necessary, Pamela. It is -- - No!

1371
01:47:52,508 --> 01:47:57,054
"Silent Night, Deadly Night" tells the story of Billy,
who as a child,

1372
01:47:57,096 --> 01:48:01,558
witnesses his family get murdered
by someone dressed as Santa Claus.

1373
01:48:01,558 --> 01:48:06,105
Flash forward to
when Billy becomes 18,

1374
01:48:06,105 --> 01:48:10,567
and he is now a
strapping young lad.

1375
01:48:10,567 --> 01:48:16,573
Merry Christmas, everyone, ho ho ho! Merry Christmas.

1376
01:48:16,615 --> 01:48:20,160
One thing leads to another,
and Billy is completely

1377
01:48:20,202 --> 01:48:24,623
triggered and goes on a massive
killing spree dressed as Santa.

1378
01:48:32,089 --> 01:48:36,093
The trigger when that happens,
you can totally understand it.

1379
01:48:36,135 --> 01:48:40,723
There's a death involving antlers
on a wall which is - which is great.

1380
01:48:40,723 --> 01:48:42,766
Punish! - No!

1381
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:48,731
He impales me on antlers, so never answer the door to strangers.

1382
01:48:48,731 --> 01:48:50,733
Punish!

1383
01:48:51,567 --> 01:48:55,571
I had a talk with the director, I said,
"She wouldn't be topless, a woman would,

1384
01:48:55,571 --> 01:48:58,741
you know, put on her top,
maybe not her bottoms to go upstairs.

1385
01:48:58,782 --> 01:49:01,869
That's just what a woman would do." And he's like,
"Well,

1386
01:49:01,869 --> 01:49:05,748
we have to have you topless. Because
the antlers are going to come out“.

1387
01:49:05,789 --> 01:49:09,001
I think there was another
reason behind it. I had to be

1388
01:49:09,043 --> 01:49:12,755
lifted up a billion times to get
on the antlers by a stunt man.

1389
01:49:12,755 --> 01:49:17,801
I don't know how he did it but he's like [grunting],
again and again and

1390
01:49:17,801 --> 01:49:22,598
having blood capsules come out
my mouth and doing it the right time.

1391
01:49:22,598 --> 01:49:25,601
It was - it was an ordeal.

1392
01:49:25,601 --> 01:49:29,813
It's crazy how two dimensional
most of these movies are,

1393
01:49:29,813 --> 01:49:34,610
and that yet you have a movie like “Silent Night,
Deadly Night",

1394
01:49:34,610 --> 01:49:38,113
that gives character
development and depth and

1395
01:49:38,113 --> 01:49:41,867
reasons why this guy is
wreaking havoc on people.

1396
01:49:41,867 --> 01:49:47,706
And yet people wanted to shut this down. I was like, are you kidding?

1397
01:49:47,706 --> 01:49:50,709
I'm so glad that the
mothers wanted it banned,

1398
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:55,631
because it made a lot of money and
it got a lot of attention because of that.

1399
01:50:06,642 --> 01:50:14,566
"Razorback" is a beautiful film,
and I don't throw that

1400
01:50:14,608 --> 01:50:18,737
term around lightly. I mean,

1401
01:50:18,737 --> 01:50:23,742
it is an absolutely
gorgeous film.

1402
01:50:23,742 --> 01:50:26,453
It's directed by Russell Mulcahy,
who is an Australian

1403
01:50:26,495 --> 01:50:29,915
director who shortly after this
would go off to direct "Highlander".

1404
01:50:29,915 --> 01:50:36,672
It's one of the best of the nature run amok sub genre horror,
it's a movie about a giant

1405
01:50:36,672 --> 01:50:43,887
boar, a boar that is three times larger than
any of the boar that anyone there has ever seen.

1406
01:50:43,929 --> 01:50:45,848
As you know,

1407
01:50:45,848 --> 01:50:51,728
everything in Australia wants to kill
you. So this is a perfect setting for that.

1408
01:50:51,728 --> 01:50:56,608
It starts off with this giant boar that
rips through a house and kills a child,

1409
01:50:56,608 --> 01:50:58,902
while his grandfather's
watching it.

1410
01:50:58,944 --> 01:51:06,743
Oh, God, Scotty! [screaming]

1411
01:51:06,743 --> 01:51:11,707
Everyone in the town thinks
that the grandfather has killed this

1412
01:51:11,707 --> 01:51:16,879
kid. So he's spending the rest
of his life hunting this razorback.

1413
01:51:24,887 --> 01:51:26,263
The movie shifts
because you initially

1414
01:51:26,263 --> 01:51:27,931
think it's going to be
about the grandfather,

1415
01:51:27,931 --> 01:51:31,310
then you think it's going to
be about the woman who is

1416
01:51:31,310 --> 01:51:34,897
the reporter who's going to
Australia to investigate this.

1417
01:51:34,938 --> 01:51:41,236
But then she ends up getting
killed by the razorback. And then her

1418
01:51:41,236 --> 01:51:47,826
husband flies out to Australia to
find out what happened to his wife.

1419
01:51:47,826 --> 01:51:50,495
So the movie then shifts again,

1420
01:51:50,537 --> 01:51:55,792
to be about the husband. The
giant razorback is incredible.

1421
01:51:55,834 --> 01:51:59,004
You don't see it very much, but you see it enough and it's terrifying.

1422
01:51:59,046 --> 01:52:02,966
It is still legitimately scary.

1423
01:52:07,804 --> 01:52:11,642
The color palette that they
use is just gorgeous. It is not

1424
01:52:11,642 --> 01:52:15,812
something you would expect to
see in a movie called "Razorback".

1425
01:52:15,812 --> 01:52:18,273
You're expecting blood
and guts and violence,

1426
01:52:18,273 --> 01:52:21,818
you wouldn't really expect to
see this stunningly beautiful film.

1427
01:52:21,818 --> 01:52:26,031
It's okay, it's okay.

1428
01:52:33,038 --> 01:52:35,374
Well,
the big rock star in terms of makeup

1429
01:52:35,374 --> 01:52:37,918
effects in the '80s was
undeniably Tom Savini.

1430
01:52:37,918 --> 01:52:41,129
He kind of cornered the market
in in gore for the early '80s,

1431
01:52:41,171 --> 01:52:43,090
and did it better
than anybody else.

1432
01:52:43,090 --> 01:52:47,010
The '80s was the splatter
decade. That was my decade,

1433
01:52:47,052 --> 01:52:51,974
you know, I was called the Sultan of Splatter,
The Wizard of Gore.

1434
01:52:51,974 --> 01:52:56,395
And it was the one-two punch of "Dawn
of the Dead" and then "Friday the 13th",

1435
01:52:56,436 --> 01:52:57,896
it catapulted my career.

1436
01:52:57,938 --> 01:53:01,525
In fact,
“Friday the 13th" wouldn't exist if George

1437
01:53:01,566 --> 01:53:04,903
hadn't done and hired
me for “Dawn of the Dead“.

1438
01:53:04,945 --> 01:53:09,366
One movie after another got me
work with other directors who saw those

1439
01:53:09,408 --> 01:53:13,912
movies. So Sean Cunningham saw Dawn and said,
"We got to get this guy".

1440
01:53:13,954 --> 01:53:18,041
Tom Savini came to us and said,
"You know what I want to do?“, I said,

1441
01:53:18,083 --> 01:53:22,879
"what do you want to do?", he said,
"I want to cut somebody's head off. On screen.

1442
01:53:22,921 --> 01:53:25,924
It's never been done." I said. "Really?",
he said,

1443
01:53:25,966 --> 01:53:29,011
"no, it's never been done,
and it could be great."

1444
01:53:29,011 --> 01:53:31,930
"So how are we going to do it?" He says,
"Well, we have to figure it out.“

1445
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:45,027
I always feel that Tom Savini
is the godfather of all of this,

1446
01:53:45,027 --> 01:53:50,949
and in a lot of ways of sheer invention. You know,
the script says this happens,

1447
01:53:50,949 --> 01:53:55,954
how the fuck does that happen?

1448
01:53:55,954 --> 01:53:58,040
When I was growing up
trying to learn makeup,

1449
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:01,084
there was no place to learn.
Nobody wanted to share their secrets.

1450
01:54:01,126 --> 01:54:05,464
The limitations make you more
creative. Limitations: Not enough time,

1451
01:54:05,505 --> 01:54:09,176
not enough people,
not enough materials, not enough money.

1452
01:54:09,176 --> 01:54:11,511
Now, Robo Chimp could, you know,

1453
01:54:11,511 --> 01:54:16,183
he could open his mouth and
make his head move left and right.

1454
01:54:16,183 --> 01:54:21,646
And then “Martin“, and there was a stake that goes through a guy's neck,
you know? So George said,

1455
01:54:21,688 --> 01:54:27,110
"We're gonna go to a slaughterhouse and maybe
get a lamb neck and stick a stick in a lamb neck.“

1456
01:54:27,110 --> 01:54:31,073
I said, “No, no,
you need to see the guy's face when that happens." “Well,

1457
01:54:31,114 --> 01:54:34,993
how are you going to do that?" "| don't know. I'll figure it out,
okay?"

1458
01:54:34,993 --> 01:54:41,625
And it wound up being exactly how I killed
Kevin Bacon in "Friday the 13th“. In “Martin“

1459
01:54:41,625 --> 01:54:48,131
the stake went in the front,
and in "Friday the 13th“ I brought the arrow from behind

1460
01:54:48,131 --> 01:54:54,221
the fake neck appliance. But
it's the same kind of an appliance

1461
01:54:54,221 --> 01:55:00,227
that Kevin Bacon stuck his head into,
that the guy in “Martin"

1462
01:55:00,227 --> 01:55:04,481
stuck his head into that Ned
Eisenberg in "The Burning",

1463
01:55:04,523 --> 01:55:09,027
stuck his head into. I did
that effect over and over again.

1464
01:55:09,027 --> 01:55:15,200
Usually if there's a rubber weapon involved,
we try to establish the real weapon, taking a chunk out of the wall

1465
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:21,289
or in "Friday the 13th" the hatchet taken out the light
bulb before the rubber axe goes into the girl's head.

1466
01:55:25,585 --> 01:55:30,966
So in your mind,
there's no separation. My books are called “Grand ll|usions", my books

1467
01:55:30,966 --> 01:55:36,096
about special makeup effects,
because that's how I think of them, as magic tricks.

1468
01:55:36,096 --> 01:55:41,810
Because it may surprise you to hear
from me that I believe the less you show,

1469
01:55:41,810 --> 01:55:47,315
the more effective stuff is, you know,
I'm the guy that showed everything.

1470
01:55:47,315 --> 01:55:52,612
But on "Creepshow“ I had never
done anything like Fluffy before,

1471
01:55:52,612 --> 01:55:55,282
an animatronic creature monster.

1472
01:55:55,323 --> 01:55:59,327
So I called Rob Bottin
and he taught me how

1473
01:55:59,369 --> 01:56:03,373
to do it over the phone.
"Creepshow" was five

1474
01:56:03,373 --> 01:56:05,584
movies, you know,

1475
01:56:05,584 --> 01:56:12,174
with monsters and Nate's corpse which
to me was - was an exciting thing to do.

1476
01:56:12,174 --> 01:56:18,180
[screaming]

1477
01:56:18,180 --> 01:56:22,726
The first thing you see is Raul,
the thing in the window, you know,

1478
01:56:22,726 --> 01:56:27,272
so it was a real skeleton that I animated with all these,
you know,

1479
01:56:27,272 --> 01:56:31,485
he could smile,
his fingers could do this. He did a

1480
01:56:31,485 --> 01:56:36,323
bunch of stuff. I did not turn
Stephen King into the plant.

1481
01:56:36,364 --> 01:56:41,411
But I did blow the top of his head
off. I was up in the ceiling pulling stuff

1482
01:56:41,411 --> 01:56:46,333
out of him while hitting blood
explosions. It was pretty complicated stuff.

1483
01:56:46,333 --> 01:56:50,086
And the cockroaches oh
my god the cockroaches,

1484
01:56:50,086 --> 01:56:54,299
I was never in the same
room with those cockroaches.

1485
01:56:54,299 --> 01:56:58,803
I would be outside a sealed room,
looking through glass. "Okay,

1486
01:56:58,803 --> 01:57:02,182
cue the blood. No. All right,
pump the roaches“

1487
01:57:02,182 --> 01:57:09,814
because they were two entomologists with huge syringes
filled with roaches. We pump blood on them so they would

1488
01:57:09,814 --> 01:57:17,280
leave little bloody footprints. “Creepshow" was my
opportunity to create monsters and characters, you know,

1489
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:21,743
not just cutting throats and
blowing heads off. “Texas Chainsaw

1490
01:57:21,743 --> 01:57:26,206
Massacre“ too was another - an opportunity like that,
you know,

1491
01:57:26,206 --> 01:57:28,250
creating the old age makeup.

1492
01:57:33,213 --> 01:57:36,174
"Xiao Sheng Pa Pa" is a
horror movie I did in Hong Kong,

1493
01:57:36,174 --> 01:57:38,426
a horror comedy movie,
I did in Hong Kong.

1494
01:57:38,426 --> 01:57:42,764
And all I did was use stuff from, well,
some stuff from "Creepshow". Raul,

1495
01:57:42,764 --> 01:57:46,393
he's in the movie. He's just a
ghost apparition at the window.

1496
01:57:50,397 --> 01:57:54,859
But I had to build lots of monsters
and things. And the two leads,

1497
01:57:54,859 --> 01:57:58,405
they were like the Abbott
and Costello of Hong Kong.

1498
01:57:58,446 --> 01:58:02,867
I didn't understand a word of what was going on. But you know,
but I built some

1499
01:58:02,867 --> 01:58:07,247
elaborate effects for that movie. Listen,
don't talk to me about interpreters,

1500
01:58:07,247 --> 01:58:12,419
we sent him out for superglue and
he came back with a case of condoms,

1501
01:58:12,419 --> 01:58:16,298
you know. And he's the interpreter,
okay? [chuckles]

1502
01:58:16,298 --> 01:58:22,387
I met Tom,
he opened up the dictionary of forensic pathology. And I saw

1503
01:58:22,387 --> 01:58:29,394
genuine photos of murder victims,
drowning victims, accident victims, you name it,

1504
01:58:29,436 --> 01:58:34,691
every variety of death that the human body can endure,
was in those pages. And then I went

1505
01:58:34,691 --> 01:58:40,280
through his lab and I looked at what people
were creating. The reality of it was extraordinary.

1506
01:58:40,280 --> 01:58:44,326
I'm the only makeup artist that
has seen the real stuff. I was

1507
01:58:44,367 --> 01:58:48,330
a combat photographer in Vietnam,
I saw horrible stuff, okay?

1508
01:58:48,371 --> 01:58:51,625
You know, if you see a movie,
a guy's wearing a white shirt,

1509
01:58:51,666 --> 01:58:55,503
and there's blood on it,
and the blood looks like strawberry Kool-Aid,

1510
01:58:55,503 --> 01:58:57,714
the makeup artist didn't
add green to the blood

1511
01:58:57,756 --> 01:59:00,550
because it's going on something white,
you have to do that.

1512
01:59:00,550 --> 01:59:06,389
In fact, here's the formula, a gallon of blood,
32 drops of green, and that blood can go

1513
01:59:06,389 --> 01:59:12,479
on something light and still look deep red like blood,
a little helpful hint for you here.

1514
01:59:12,479 --> 01:59:19,069
Everything that we do today, as special makeup effect artists,
was invented by Dick Smith. We enhance

1515
01:59:19,110 --> 01:59:25,450
it, elaborate, make it better, you know,
but he invented all the stuff that we that we do today.

1516
01:59:25,450 --> 01:59:32,082
If you've seen "Dawn of the Dead",
the blood is atrocious. The blood looks like melted crayons.

1517
01:59:32,082 --> 01:59:38,421
So on the way to "Friday the 13th",
driving to Connecticut, we went to Dick Smith's house.

1518
01:59:38,421 --> 01:59:43,510
And he gave us the blood formula,
his blood formula, which is THE blood formula.

1519
01:59:43,551 --> 01:59:48,431
The blood in "Friday the 13th" is the
first time the blood looked real to me.

1520
01:59:48,431 --> 01:59:54,854
I wish I had my school growing up,
where you could go and learn all this stuff,

1521
01:59:54,896 --> 02:00:00,527
you know. It's important for film students,
let's say, to study films

1522
02:00:00,527 --> 02:00:06,074
from the past. If you're surrounded by people,
like I am with students

1523
02:00:06,074 --> 02:00:12,539
coming into my school,
and they don't know who Boris Karloff is, you're deprived.

1524
02:00:12,539 --> 02:00:16,000
I mean, if you're going to be a makeup artist,
you know, do some research on some

1525
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:19,546
of the greatest monsters or creatures or makeups that were ever created,
you know.

1526
02:00:19,546 --> 02:00:23,425
The first sentence in my
book on makeup effects is,

1527
02:00:23,466 --> 02:00:26,678
"The more you do,
the more you get to do".

1528
02:00:26,678 --> 02:00:32,559
That's the thrill of creativity,
that idea of taking a blob of clay or taking a blank

1529
02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:38,565
Page,
you're giving life to something that never existed and that - that's thrilling.

1530
02:00:57,584 --> 02:01:02,422
"Ghoulies". Well, first there was "Gremlins",
then there was “Ghoulies".

1531
02:01:02,422 --> 02:01:06,634
And then there was "Munchies“,
and then there was “Hobgoblins".

1532
02:01:06,634 --> 02:01:09,137
When you have a
picture that’s successful,

1533
02:01:09,137 --> 02:01:11,848
people will immediately
rush out an imitation.

1534
02:01:11,848 --> 02:01:16,186
The fact that the ad has the
ghoulie coming out of a toilet,

1535
02:01:16,186 --> 02:01:20,690
I think probably expresses my
feelings about the whole series.

1536
02:01:20,690 --> 02:01:23,193
I did enjoy the
"Ghoulies" movies. In fact,

1537
02:01:23,193 --> 02:01:25,779
I did one of them,
"Ghoulies Go to College".

1538
02:01:28,823 --> 02:01:33,244
I was stunt coordinator on it and played
the character falling in a mop bucket,

1539
02:01:33,286 --> 02:01:34,788
ass first.

1540
02:01:41,711 --> 02:01:44,339
The greatest thing about
"Ghoulies“ is something that

1541
02:01:44,339 --> 02:01:47,717
almost didn't make it into the
movie that they watched it and said,

1542
02:01:47,717 --> 02:01:50,345
"Where's the scene with the Ghoulie
coming out of the toilet?" And said,

1543
02:01:50,345 --> 02:01:51,846
"Well,
we just did that for the poster".

1544
02:01:51,846 --> 02:01:56,768
"No, you need to put this scene in the movie."
So they went back and reshot the scene, the

1545
02:01:56,810 --> 02:02:01,898
Ghoulie coming out of the toilet. And whenever
somebody says Ghoulies they always love that.

1546
02:02:03,775 --> 02:02:06,778
And of course that ties in with the tagline.

1547
02:02:06,778 --> 02:02:10,782
"Ghoulies". They'll get you in the end! Literally.

1548
02:02:10,782 --> 02:02:13,952
So if I had to give my
blessing to any of the ripoffs,

1549
02:02:13,993 --> 02:02:16,830
I would definitely choose
the "Critters" series.

1550
02:02:16,830 --> 02:02:19,666
However,
I feel remiss in criticizing anybody's rip offs

1551
02:02:19,666 --> 02:02:22,919
when my first picture was "Piranha“,
which is a ripoff of “Jaws".

1552
02:02:22,961 --> 02:02:25,922
You know,
[laughing] so I'm not -just, you know,

1553
02:02:25,922 --> 02:02:29,884
walk around and tinkle a bell
and yell "unclean" and all of that.

1554
02:02:42,856 --> 02:02:46,442
During the heyday of the video boom,
early '80s,

1555
02:02:46,484 --> 02:02:49,863
there were so many
videos on the shelves that

1556
02:02:49,863 --> 02:02:52,407
you had to do something
to grab people's attention.

1557
02:02:52,407 --> 02:02:54,868
I used to love all those painted covers,
you know,

1558
02:02:54,909 --> 02:02:58,955
like "Cannibal Holocaust",
“Cannibal Ferox". As the years went on,

1559
02:02:58,955 --> 02:03:00,915
they became more and more lurid

1560
02:03:00,915 --> 02:03:04,043
because they had to compete and threw was so much in there.

1561
02:03:04,043 --> 02:03:08,464
"Cannibal Holocaust" is interesting
because it is the first in a whole kind

1562
02:03:08,464 --> 02:03:12,927
of wave of found footage movies
where you didn't know if it was real or not.

1563
02:03:12,927 --> 02:03:18,224
Of course, by the time I saw it,
you knew that it wasn't real. Much

1564
02:03:18,224 --> 02:03:24,105
like "The Blair Witch Project" when
it first came out people weren't sure.

1565
02:03:24,105 --> 02:03:30,028
Deodato even was brought up in
criminal charges or filming actual murders.

1566
02:03:30,069 --> 02:03:36,159
And there's phases that take place in - in horror movies,
the found footage,

1567
02:03:36,159 --> 02:03:40,538
footage, Amazon jungle, torture porn,
"Cannibal Holocaust" and "Cannibal

1568
02:03:40,580 --> 02:03:45,168
Ferox“ for a time I thought they were
the same movie with different titles.

1569
02:03:45,168 --> 02:03:50,548
One would kind of look like the other which
would look like the other. "Cannibal Holocaust“

1570
02:03:50,548 --> 02:03:56,054
has a couple scenes in it, that you just can't forget,
the guy getting his cock chopped off.

1571
02:03:59,015 --> 02:04:02,101
Don't ever go to the Amazon
jungle and that way you won't get

1572
02:04:02,101 --> 02:04:05,271
your cock chopped off by a bunch
of Cannibal Holocaust feroxes.

1573
02:04:05,271 --> 02:04:10,610
The real issue that everybody talks
about though with "Cannibal Holocaust" is

1574
02:04:10,610 --> 02:04:16,157
not the apparent deaths of the people.
It's the deaths of the animals on screen,

1575
02:04:16,199 --> 02:04:20,036
and that's hard to watch
because that's real. Big

1576
02:04:20,078 --> 02:04:24,165
sea turtle getting cut up for dinner. Fuck,
really?!

1577
02:04:27,251 --> 02:04:31,381
So that I think is why some
people thought that it could be real

1578
02:04:31,422 --> 02:04:36,219
because the animal deaths are you're watching literal,
animal snuff films.

1579
02:04:36,219 --> 02:04:43,726
The most popular nasty of them all is a piece of trash called "Faces of Death",
which purports to be a professor's investigation

1580
02:04:43,768 --> 02:04:51,192
of death worldwide. And his effort, he says,
is to gain knowledge about the fragility of man. Sure, and I'm the Easter Bunny.

1581
02:04:51,192 --> 02:04:58,533
"Faces of Death“ somebody's brother's sisters
brother had it on some kind of fifth sixth edition

1582
02:04:58,533 --> 02:05:05,373
VHS, and what it was was apparent real life
snuff films put together on this documentary,

1583
02:05:05,415 --> 02:05:11,004
And there was like “Faces of Death" one through you know,
27 or something along those lines,

1584
02:05:11,004 --> 02:05:16,426
and you could never really find it,
which made the legend of it so much more mysterious.

1585
02:05:16,426 --> 02:05:19,429
I find this to be a particularly unusual face of death.

1586
02:05:19,429 --> 02:05:22,890
And that's why you thought 'maybe this is real',
until you actually

1587
02:05:22,932 --> 02:05:26,436
saw one and then you realize this
might not be as real as you think.

1588
02:05:26,477 --> 02:05:33,067
The Satanic cult, you know,
sacrificing somebody. Who's taping this? Where's this from? What's - What is this?

1589
02:05:33,067 --> 02:05:39,490
Why is no one getting arrested from this? But What a strange phase to go through,
a fake snuff film phase.

1590
02:05:39,490 --> 02:05:42,952
His mutilated body represented
a violent retaliation from a

1591
02:05:42,952 --> 02:05:46,289
creature which has suffered
continual abuse from mankind.

1592
02:05:46,289 --> 02:05:51,294
We were fucking weird as teenagers,
man. Who would ever want to watch that?

1593
02:06:02,513 --> 02:06:07,810
It was a love story about two people
that were literally made for each other,

1594
02:06:07,810 --> 02:06:09,520
but that were separated.

1595
02:06:09,562 --> 02:06:13,566
You fool! imbecile!

1596
02:06:13,608 --> 02:06:16,486
It was a lyrical, beautiful script.

1597
02:06:16,486 --> 02:06:21,365
You're safe now. - Safe?

1598
02:06:21,365 --> 02:06:25,953
Frankenstein says that he wants to create a woman who is his equal,
and of course doing

1599
02:06:25,953 --> 02:06:30,541
exactly the opposite. He's trying to make
her into the image of a woman that he wants.

1600
02:06:30,541 --> 02:06:37,715
And Jennifer Beals she was the big get because
she had just come off a "Flashdance". Jennifer, I think is

1601
02:06:37,715 --> 02:06:45,515
sublimely good. I don't think anybody gives her enough
credit for the work that she did in that movie [chuckles].

1602
02:06:50,978 --> 02:06:57,276
She's looks magnificent in the costumes and
on the sets. I thought she was terrific. I thought

1603
02:06:57,318 --> 02:07:03,491
Sting was terrific too. There was me and Rappaport,
David, we got to be quite good friends.

1604
02:07:03,491 --> 02:07:07,620
Friend? - Yes, good health. - Good health.

1605
02:07:07,662 --> 02:07:14,502
Boy, playing the creature. It's so rich. Of course,
the creature in Shelley's book is

1606
02:07:14,544 --> 02:07:21,717
articulate and sophisticated,
and is the truth seeker and the truth teller in the movie.

1607
02:07:21,759 --> 02:07:27,098
The popular iteration of it
of Karloff and the subsequent

1608
02:07:27,098 --> 02:07:32,353
Karloff-esque versions of
that Universal creature just

1609
02:07:32,353 --> 02:07:37,567
make him a brute. This
was clearly a romantic version

1610
02:07:37,567 --> 02:07:42,780
of it. He gets more and more
handsome as the [chuckles]

1611
02:07:42,780 --> 02:07:47,160
movie goes on. Which just meant that the
prosthetics got more and more handsome,

1612
02:07:47,160 --> 02:07:48,619
they did - you know.

1613
02:07:48,619 --> 02:07:54,333
If the script had a flaw,
it's that the two main stars had to

1614
02:07:54,333 --> 02:08:00,590
carry the portion of the film that
was the darkest and the coldest.

1615
02:08:00,631 --> 02:08:05,178
Where have you been all day? - Riding.

1616
02:08:05,178 --> 02:08:08,264
The job that Sting and Jennifer
had to do was to show how

1617
02:08:08,264 --> 02:08:11,642
things fall apart. They weren't
supposed to have any chemistry.

1618
02:08:11,684 --> 02:08:14,395
Off screen they actually
did have chemistry. I mean,

1619
02:08:14,437 --> 02:08:17,732
we're all kind of liked each
other. On screen they had to miss.

1620
02:08:17,732 --> 02:08:21,152
I made you out of ashes. I can
always reduce you to ashes again.

1621
02:08:21,194 --> 02:08:22,653
You can do what you like!

1622
02:08:22,653 --> 02:08:27,617
I think people miss the point of that,
yeah. It's a hopeful message of how we can,

1623
02:08:27,617 --> 02:08:32,663
you know,
we can all get better from our - from even the most miserable beginnings.

1624
02:08:32,663 --> 02:08:36,250
And we can all find true
love. That's not really the

1625
02:08:36,250 --> 02:08:39,921
story. It's not Mary Shelley's story,
but that's okay.

1626
02:08:50,014 --> 02:08:55,269
"Nightmare 1" was a huge,
huge off the charts hit, they couldn't believe

1627
02:08:55,311 --> 02:09:00,816
it. "Nightmare 2" it has some of the
most classic moments of the franchise.

1628
02:09:00,816 --> 02:09:08,658
"Nightmare on Elm Street 2" is about relationships,
perspectives, and stereotypes

1629
02:09:08,658 --> 02:09:15,957
that all get smashed once Freddy
Krueger gets his claws in them [laughing].

1630
02:09:21,295 --> 02:09:26,467
What we did is utilize the
truth between Mark Patton,

1631
02:09:26,509 --> 02:09:30,930
Jesse Walsh, and I,
Robert Rusler, Ron Grady,

1632
02:09:30,930 --> 02:09:35,685
and we utilized our own
truths. And we put it in the

1633
02:09:35,685 --> 02:09:41,941
circumstances of the film. I didn't
have a judgment about sexuality.

1634
02:09:41,941 --> 02:09:45,528
And that's what I loved
about Grady and Jesse,

1635
02:09:45,528 --> 02:09:51,409
there was no ulterior motive there.
There was a sexual tension between them.

1636
02:09:51,409 --> 02:09:54,412
I don't know why you're wasting your time with this guy,
he's a basket case.

1637
02:09:54,412 --> 02:09:55,413
Shut up, Grady.

1638
02:09:55,454 --> 02:09:56,956
But it depends who's looking.

1639
02:09:56,998 --> 02:09:59,041
See you around, buddy.

1640
02:09:59,041 --> 02:10:03,921
We were playing with this idea
that Freddy was exploiting the

1641
02:10:03,921 --> 02:10:10,094
subconscious of Mark's character Jessie
and was maybe opening the closet door.

1642
02:10:15,474 --> 02:10:18,936
And we had beaucoup
hints of Freddy,

1643
02:10:18,978 --> 02:10:23,733
manipulating the boy's sexuality,
prompted both

1644
02:10:23,774 --> 02:10:27,862
by the original screenplay,
the staging,

1645
02:10:27,903 --> 02:10:32,033
the casting, and by sets,
whole sequences.

1646
02:10:32,033 --> 02:10:36,329
No one said we're making a gay horror film,
but we were

1647
02:10:36,329 --> 02:10:42,126
toying with that. Not nailing it down rigidly,
but certainly exploring it.

1648
02:10:46,464 --> 02:10:51,385
And I loved what was going on with
Freddie being in the middle of it. Divisive,

1649
02:10:51,385 --> 02:10:56,057
calculating,
darker than any of the other "Nightmare on Elm Street" movies.

1650
02:11:02,938 --> 02:11:10,279
That scene comes up,
Krueger comes out of Jesse's body,

1651
02:11:10,279 --> 02:11:13,991
and I'm yelling for my dad.

1652
02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:21,040
[screaming]-

1653
02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:25,503
When I saw the movie with my dad at the screening,
my dad was crying,

1654
02:11:25,503 --> 02:11:29,965
you know. And I looked back in the audience,
and people were affected.

1655
02:11:37,890 --> 02:11:41,143
They did break a one rule, they took Freddy out of the dream.

1656
02:11:46,899 --> 02:11:51,028
His dad is burned alive. He doesn't
even show up at the pool party. Yet,

1657
02:11:51,070 --> 02:11:55,199
there's some great stuff at the pool party,
“You're all my children now."

1658
02:11:55,199 --> 02:11:57,952
You're all my children now.

1659
02:11:57,952 --> 02:11:59,995
You know, "Help yourself fucker".

1660
02:11:59,995 --> 02:12:01,997
Help yourself, fucker!

1661
02:12:06,877 --> 02:12:09,338
And I love the idea
that it's the rich girls

1662
02:12:09,338 --> 02:12:12,049
party and Freddy ruins
it for all the rich kids.

1663
02:12:15,469 --> 02:12:20,683
All they have to do is just get a pickup
shot of Jesse or Jesse and Kim asleep

1664
02:12:20,683 --> 02:12:26,021
in the pool house taking a nap,
and then that whole party crash by Freddy works.

1665
02:12:26,063 --> 02:12:28,065
Daddy can't help you now!

1666
02:12:28,107 --> 02:12:32,236
I mean,
I remember asking Mark in a sequence with Freddie and Jesse,

1667
02:12:32,236 --> 02:12:35,114
if I could touch him like
I was gonna kiss him,

1668
02:12:35,114 --> 02:12:39,285
"Can I put a blade in your
mouth? Or Could I just circle your

1669
02:12:39,285 --> 02:12:43,873
mouth? Can I caress your eyes?" That's a real scary,
strange moment.

1670
02:12:43,914 --> 02:12:47,084
I said,
"Maybe do you think it should be sexual or maybe the kiss of death?”

1671
02:12:47,084 --> 02:12:51,297
So I thought there might
be a great male on male kiss

1672
02:12:51,338 --> 02:12:56,010
there. That could be erotic
and then - and then death kiss.

1673
02:13:02,433 --> 02:13:07,354
There is a lot of people that watch that movie,
and it made them uncomfortable.

1674
02:13:07,354 --> 02:13:11,901
There were a lot of people that watched
that movie and an empowered them.

1675
02:13:11,901 --> 02:13:15,070
There were a lot of people
that watched that movie,

1676
02:13:15,112 --> 02:13:20,075
and they made fun of orjudged or poked.
most of the people that judge and poke,

1677
02:13:20,075 --> 02:13:24,413
What are you hiding, you know what I mean?

1678
02:13:24,455 --> 02:13:29,210
People were talking about this from the
get go and there was an increased and

1679
02:13:29,210 --> 02:13:33,923
an enhanced fan base within the gay community,
because of this, immediately.

1680
02:13:33,923 --> 02:13:41,180
A lot of young gay men were heavily heavily influenced by that movie,
to be truthful and

1681
02:13:41,180 --> 02:13:48,854
honest with themselves and - and really
flourish into who they wanted to be from the inside.

1682
02:13:48,896 --> 02:13:54,276
I think that's fantastic. As far as Freddie goes,
and as far as the depth of truth

1683
02:13:54,276 --> 02:13:59,907
between characters,
nobody else touches “Nightmare 2". I'm very proud of that movie.

1684
02:13:59,907 --> 02:14:02,576
And when people go, "Hey,
what's it like to be in the gayest

1685
02:14:02,576 --> 02:14:05,079
horror movie ever made?" I go,
"it was fucking awesome".

1686
02:14:05,079 --> 02:14:08,082
It's okay, it's all over [screaming].

1687
02:14:21,971 --> 02:14:24,181
While I was a big
West Craven fan,

1688
02:14:24,181 --> 02:14:28,978
I was also a huge fan of "The Hills Have Eyes“. That movie was freaky,
man.

1689
02:14:29,019 --> 02:14:32,022
[girl screaming] I'll come here for you later, girlie.

1690
02:14:32,064 --> 02:14:39,154
Another example of a situation that you
could relate to as this can really happen

1691
02:14:39,154 --> 02:14:46,036
to me, was sort of like I take the wrong turn,
and I wind up in you know, hell.

1692
02:14:46,036 --> 02:14:52,626
"Hills Have Eyes ll“ is a weird one
because it comes on the heels of

1693
02:14:52,626 --> 02:15:00,384
Craven having maybe the biggest hit of
his career with "Nightmare on Elm Street".

1694
02:15:00,426 --> 02:15:04,305
And suddenly he's kind of
going back to the bottom of the

1695
02:15:04,305 --> 02:15:08,934
barrel and delivering a sequel to
a movie some eight years earlier.

1696
02:15:08,934 --> 02:15:16,734
There's a lot of flashbacks. If you ever
want to see a dog have a flashback in a movie,

1697
02:15:16,775 --> 02:15:22,823
I can name one and it's in “Hills
Have Eyes ll". Then the first film,

1698
02:15:22,865 --> 02:15:24,867
this civilized soft

1699
02:15:24,867 --> 02:15:27,369
suburban family finds
itself in the wilderness,

1700
02:15:27,369 --> 02:15:30,914
facing off against the sort of feral
mutants I guess you would say.

1701
02:15:30,914 --> 02:15:36,086
And in the second one,
it's kind of the the mutants bringing the fight to

1702
02:15:36,128 --> 02:15:41,967
civilization a little bit because one of
their own has dared to try to cross over.

1703
02:15:42,009 --> 02:15:48,057
I love Michael Berryman, you know,
working with him in "Weird Science",

1704
02:15:48,098 --> 02:15:51,352
he was such the
antithesis of what he

1705
02:15:51,393 --> 02:15:54,188
comes off as on screen,
you know,

1706
02:15:54,188 --> 02:16:00,861
because he's always playing these
really freaky creepy like super sadistic,

1707
02:16:00,861 --> 02:16:07,826
like scary roles. And in person he's a super pleasant,
super educated sweet man.

1708
02:16:07,826 --> 02:16:13,832
Can we keep this between us? I'd hate to lose my teaching job.

1709
02:16:13,832 --> 02:16:19,546
What resonates with me about
"Hills Have Eyes ll" compared

1710
02:16:19,546 --> 02:16:25,969
to "Hills Have Eyes l" was more
the clarity on what the fear was.

1711
02:16:25,969 --> 02:16:30,140
I want you to stay together and stay
alert. This place might look deserted,

1712
02:16:30,140 --> 02:16:33,894
but it's been used for something
right up to the time we got here.

1713
02:16:33,894 --> 02:16:39,483
They got to expound upon the characters,
the situation. What's at stake, you know,

1714
02:16:39,483 --> 02:16:45,030
my life. And what are the odds of me making out of here,
you know, slim and none.

1715
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:48,992
I think Wes Craven was
very good about capturing a

1716
02:16:48,992 --> 02:16:53,747
perspective really taking
you to that world in the desert.

1717
02:16:53,789 --> 02:16:57,835
That's one of those movies
like "Dawn of the Dead",

1718
02:16:57,876 --> 02:17:02,965
where you come out hitting each
other being super mischievous.

1719
02:17:03,006 --> 02:17:06,927
For some reason, that's how some of those horror movies affect me.

1720
02:17:10,806 --> 02:17:13,058
I want to get into trouble after I see him [laughing].

1721
02:17:13,058 --> 02:17:17,438
Miss me, miss me, na

1722
02:17:17,479 --> 02:17:21,817
na na na. [grunting]

1723
02:17:21,859 --> 02:17:25,112
Horror movies are
essentially absurd,

1724
02:17:25,154 --> 02:17:32,161
and the comedy just it's already in there. And if you don't find it,
someone

1725
02:17:32,161 --> 02:17:37,207
else is going to find it because
some of - the sometimes

1726
02:17:37,207 --> 02:17:42,838
some of the things that are
happening are just preposterous.

1727
02:17:42,838 --> 02:17:48,844
Many of the pictures in the '80s like "Return of the Living
Dead" and "The Stuff" are not afraid to embrace the fact

1728
02:17:48,886 --> 02:17:54,933
that they're silly. I mean in fact,
I would almost think that silly is kind of the - the byword for horror comedies.

1729
02:17:54,933 --> 02:17:59,480
Beginning with "Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein",
which is everybody's favorite because of the fact that

1730
02:17:59,480 --> 02:18:03,942
the horror movie stuff is played straight. It just all
meshes together so perfectly, and it looks terrific.

1731
02:18:03,984 --> 02:18:07,821
And it's, you know,
practically the best movie that Abbott and Costello

1732
02:18:07,863 --> 02:18:11,909
ever made. And it's also the best of the later,
universal horror pictures.

1733
02:18:14,369 --> 02:18:17,623
In black and white,
the comedy was funnier. in black and white,

1734
02:18:17,664 --> 02:18:18,874
the horror was scarier.

1735
02:18:25,798 --> 02:18:33,180
It's almost like horror of the absurd. Like
this is not even in the realm of probable.

1736
02:18:33,180 --> 02:18:40,813
And so there's a great sort of communal delight,
there's something endearing about that.

1737
02:18:40,813 --> 02:18:47,820
"Re-Animator" is - is a very funny movie.
It's also pretty gruesome. It's in the mind

1738
02:18:47,820 --> 02:18:54,827
of the filmmaker, you can't all be Takashi Miike,
and have it be unrelentingly grim.

1739
02:18:59,373 --> 02:19:04,837
There's got to be some moments where the
graph goes up and down instead ofjust all the way

1740
02:19:04,878 --> 02:19:10,801
across. In my movies,
I've always approached the horror aspects along with a sense of the absurd.

1741
02:19:13,804 --> 02:19:18,308
My mechanism of dealing with fear is - is - is laughter,
especially in the movies,

1742
02:19:18,308 --> 02:19:21,895
you know,
because then you realize that you're not in the movie.

1743
02:19:24,314 --> 02:19:28,151
They call it comic relief,
a little space to stand still for a second and

1744
02:19:28,151 --> 02:19:31,864
catch your breath before you kick -
before you get chased around again,

1745
02:19:31,864 --> 02:19:36,702
or whatever it is, you have to have that otherwise,
it's just relentless,

1746
02:19:36,743 --> 02:19:41,832
and it becomes unintentionally funny,
which you really don't want [laughing].

1747
02:19:41,874 --> 02:19:45,878
I couldn't think of a more horrible job if I wanted to.

1748
02:19:45,878 --> 02:19:52,843
"The Texas Chainsaw Massacre“ has many comic elements in it,
but people don't think of it as a comedy until much later. And

1749
02:19:52,843 --> 02:19:59,892
then they have to invent fancy terms like Grand Guignol
[chuckles] to describe what's going on in Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

1750
02:19:59,892 --> 02:20:05,564
"The Howling" is a really powerful horror movie,
but it's funny as hell,

1751
02:20:05,564 --> 02:20:11,778
and "An American Werewolf in London",
Both of them take their horror seriously.

1752
02:20:11,778 --> 02:20:15,908
And they take the comedy seriously.
And both of them are made by filmmakers

1753
02:20:15,908 --> 02:20:19,870
who've embraced both and have made
comedies and have made horror movies.

1754
02:20:19,870 --> 02:20:23,540
They have such glee and relish a
good horror movie makes you feel

1755
02:20:23,540 --> 02:20:28,003
really excited and like you're having a good time,
and certainly a good comedy.

1756
02:20:28,003 --> 02:20:31,381
You ride that wave of
laughter and when you can melt

1757
02:20:31,381 --> 02:20:34,801
them together like John
Landis and Joe Dante can do.

1758
02:20:34,801 --> 02:20:37,846
Excuse me.

1759
02:20:37,846 --> 02:20:41,683
When it works it's really great,
and that's what I was hoping for doing

1760
02:20:41,725 --> 02:20:45,938
"Critters 2" was that the comedy would
be funny and the horror would be scary.

1761
02:20:45,938 --> 02:20:50,943
I love that,
when you have a humorous movie that also has scares,

1762
02:20:50,943 --> 02:20:54,821
because what it does for
me is takes the edge of,

1763
02:20:54,863 --> 02:20:59,159
it's even more of a roller
coaster ride than just scary,

1764
02:20:59,201 --> 02:21:03,956
scary, scary, scary, ah, scary,
scary, ah, scary [chuckles].

1765
02:21:03,997 --> 02:21:06,708
It's more like,
I'm totally relaxed because I was

1766
02:21:06,708 --> 02:21:09,920
laughing. Oh my god! Now this
big thing happens. You know?

1767
02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:13,840
[woman screaming in background] Holy shit!

1768
02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:20,347
Some of the things I kind of gravitate
towards in horror are the comedy horror.

1769
02:21:20,347 --> 02:21:23,934
Garbage day! - No! [screaming]

1770
02:21:23,934 --> 02:21:27,896
I do love the wink of the eye.
Maybe because I hate to be scared,

1771
02:21:27,896 --> 02:21:31,984
[laughing] actually I like to get
a little bit of a step backwards.

1772
02:21:31,984 --> 02:21:37,280
Can I have a piece of toast?

1773
02:21:37,322 --> 02:21:41,118
There are a lot of really
successful horror films with comedic

1774
02:21:41,118 --> 02:21:45,831
elements in the '80s. But there are
a lot of movies that didn't get it right.

1775
02:21:45,831 --> 02:21:50,127
There is a short trend of movies that
were overall comedies but dealt with

1776
02:21:50,127 --> 02:21:54,840
horror subjects. You had "Teen Wolf" and
"Transylvania 6-5000" and "Once Bitten",

1777
02:21:57,718 --> 02:22:01,722
It's a tough balance to pull off,
but you really have to get the tone just

1778
02:22:01,722 --> 02:22:05,892
right so that the comedy doesn't really
infringe on the horror and vice versa.

1779
02:22:09,730 --> 02:22:15,402
Horror and comedy can go hand in hand or
they can be each other's worst enemy. Most horror

1780
02:22:15,444 --> 02:22:21,742
comedies are neither scary nor funny. But when it works together,
they both aim for the same thing.

1781
02:22:21,742 --> 02:22:27,122
Horror and comedy both go for a physical reaction,
a scream, a jump,

1782
02:22:27,122 --> 02:22:31,960
tension gripping the arms of your seat for horror,
and comedy

1783
02:22:31,960 --> 02:22:34,796
the laughter. If you
go into a horror movie,

1784
02:22:34,796 --> 02:22:38,925
or a comedy and it's quiet all the way through,
it ain't working.

1785
02:22:38,967 --> 02:22:43,680
A laugh is very difficult to get,
how do you get the laugh? You get the

1786
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:48,935
laugh by surprising people. If they can see the punch line coming,
you're sunk.

1787
02:22:54,733 --> 02:22:59,154
The key to making a great
horror comedy is it's got to be 80%

1788
02:22:59,154 --> 02:23:03,950
horror and 20% comedy. If you try
to do 80% comedy and 20% horror,

1789
02:23:03,950 --> 02:23:07,162
then what you're doing is
you're attempting to make a cult

1790
02:23:07,204 --> 02:23:10,874
film in advance and that never
works. It always falls on its face.

1791
02:23:10,874 --> 02:23:13,960
Horror obviously crosses
genres anyway. But I

1792
02:23:14,002 --> 02:23:17,714
would argue that '80s horror
does that more than most.

1793
02:23:17,714 --> 02:23:21,760
It's like,
you've got “Reese's Peanut Butter Cups" is gonna work great.

1794
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:24,012
Hey,
you've got your chocolate in my peanut butter.

1795
02:23:24,012 --> 02:23:26,723
You've got peanut butter on
my chocolate. [together: what?]

1796
02:23:26,723 --> 02:23:31,019
So the '80s, I would argue,
actually defined the - the

1797
02:23:31,061 --> 02:23:35,774
and created this idea of kind of multi genre horror,
that

1798
02:23:35,774 --> 02:23:40,320
absolutely gets away with
high art and low art. Make you

1799
02:23:40,362 --> 02:23:44,908
laugh and- and have visceral drama,
and gross you out.

1800
02:23:44,908 --> 02:23:48,745
I said shut up, butthole!

1801
02:23:48,745 --> 02:23:53,208
That's the definition of '80s Horror in a way,
is - is the people who

1802
02:23:53,208 --> 02:23:57,796
grew out of those errors and are
slamming all of these genres together.

1803
02:24:02,759 --> 02:24:07,681
I never thought in a million years when I was growing up in Davenport,
Iowa that I

1804
02:24:07,722 --> 02:24:12,769
would be acting,
because I was probably the shyest person on the face of the earth.

1805
02:24:12,811 --> 02:24:20,110
I remember my first role that I got that was a speaking role,
even though it wasn't a lot of speaking, was

1806
02:24:20,110 --> 02:24:27,909
"Fairy Tales". And that was with Charlie Band. I was so proud,
I remember writing in my diary, 'I'm a big star'.

1807
02:24:27,909 --> 02:24:33,331
I think I found my niche in doing
the ones that were more independent,

1808
02:24:33,331 --> 02:24:35,333
I hate to say low budget.

1809
02:24:35,333 --> 02:24:40,755
What is this, midnight went bowling league?
- What are you, the bride of Dracula?

1810
02:24:40,797 --> 02:24:46,761
I think there was a lot more freedom in doing things then,
and I just liked it. It was

1811
02:24:46,761 --> 02:24:52,934
a lot more fun. The first time I had to take
off my clothes which was in “Fairy Tales",

1812
02:24:52,976 --> 02:24:57,939
I was terrified. I was
so scared I actually

1813
02:24:57,981 --> 02:25:02,694
did push ups to get
my adrenaline going

1814
02:25:02,736 --> 02:25:06,198
so I wouldn't think about it,

1815
02:25:06,239 --> 02:25:12,829
it was a formula. Shower scene,
getting killed topless.

1816
02:25:12,829 --> 02:25:18,877
It became redundant. I knew the formula,
I know they needed it to sell the film.

1817
02:25:18,877 --> 02:25:22,964
I think if you feel comfortable doing nudity,
it's no big deal. I made

1818
02:25:22,964 --> 02:25:26,968
up in my mind, if I have to show my breast,
I'm gonna get more money.

1819
02:25:27,010 --> 02:25:31,806
So I was the go to girl. The more
you draw attention to being naked,

1820
02:25:31,806 --> 02:25:37,020
the worse it is, if you just take it very casually,
people don't notice.

1821
02:25:37,062 --> 02:25:42,067
It's like when it's the person that's like going,
“Oh, don't look, oh,

1822
02:25:42,108 --> 02:25:46,988
you can't see me. Oh I'm so
embarrassed" that you want to look at.

1823
02:25:46,988 --> 02:25:50,533
So I would just be like very
casual about it and people

1824
02:25:50,533 --> 02:25:54,955
didn't make a big deal. You know,
so it's like, it's not a big thing.

1825
02:25:54,996 --> 02:26:02,837
"Savage Streets" is about this badass Linda Blair
going and getting these guys who raped me, which

1826
02:26:02,837 --> 02:26:06,841
was a hard scene to do.
The director wanted mucus

1827
02:26:06,841 --> 02:26:10,845
coming out my nose and
blood running down my leg.

1828
02:26:10,845 --> 02:26:17,727
I said, “l don't think that's necessary. I
think it's pretty creepy the way it is going to be

1829
02:26:17,727 --> 02:26:25,026
depicted." I was so happy at that point to be
playing opposite Linda Blair and playing her sister.

1830
02:26:25,068 --> 02:26:29,906
And it was a different role for me because I was just so innocent.

1831
02:26:29,906 --> 02:26:33,868
You're real pretty, you know that?

1832
02:26:33,868 --> 02:26:39,291
From “Savage Streets",
I got both negative and positive comments, like the negative ones

1833
02:26:39,291 --> 02:26:44,921
were, "Oh,
you didn't have to remember any lines. You didn't have any lines in the movie."

1834
02:26:44,921 --> 02:26:50,677
But then I got the others that are more into film that would say,
“Wow, that must

1835
02:26:50,677 --> 02:26:56,891
have been hard not to say things and do
things and pretend that you can't understand".

1836
02:26:56,891 --> 02:27:01,271
I remember on "Return of the Living Dead",
I don't usually say no, but there were things like

1837
02:27:01,271 --> 02:27:05,900
shave my eyebrows off. Well, everybody was like,
"Don't do it because they might not grow back ".

1838
02:27:05,900 --> 02:27:13,450
And I thought, I don't want to go without eyebrows.
And then they wanted me to cut my hair. I didn't do that so

1839
02:27:13,450 --> 02:27:21,041
they had to get a wig. But I did agree to dance nude
on a tombstone. And talk about nude - it was really nude.

1840
02:27:21,041 --> 02:27:24,919
Getting away from zombies,
I was terrified because the

1841
02:27:24,961 --> 02:27:29,591
zombies were extras. And extras
get very zealous and they want

1842
02:27:29,591 --> 02:27:33,136
to be seen in the camera and I'm like,
oh my god,

1843
02:27:33,178 --> 02:27:38,141
they're gonna really attack me. I was - I was actually very,
like,

1844
02:27:38,141 --> 02:27:42,062
Oh, no, what's gonna happen when they yell action.

1845
02:27:46,900 --> 02:27:51,821
And I'm like,
surrounded by the zombies and that's the end of

1846
02:27:51,863 --> 02:27:57,077
me. Being buried in mud,
there is an art to holding your breath.

1847
02:27:57,077 --> 02:28:03,124
They dug a hole, then they're covering me up and I'm like,
Oh my god, I can't tell.

1848
02:28:03,124 --> 02:28:09,005
I can't hear when they call action. I
can't tell when the rain machine's going.

1849
02:28:09,005 --> 02:28:13,802
So I had to kind of like time it
and it was like kind of creepy to be

1850
02:28:13,843 --> 02:28:19,099
under there. So I did it on the first take,
thank goodness, I was so happy.

1851
02:28:19,099 --> 02:28:23,937
That's kind of dangerous because you
can inhale the mud. So I didn't know if

1852
02:28:23,937 --> 02:28:29,150
anybody really knew what they were
doing or if I was just like a guinea pig on it.

1853
02:28:29,150 --> 02:28:32,737
When I turned into a zombie,
I'm nude,

1854
02:28:32,737 --> 02:28:37,700
cold and nude. It was
horrible to have the special

1855
02:28:37,700 --> 02:28:44,040
effects makeup done. I didn't
know I was getting into but it was like,

1856
02:28:44,040 --> 02:28:46,126
all glued on me,

1857
02:28:46,167 --> 02:28:51,423
and they had the mouth at one
point down here. And I couldn't

1858
02:28:51,423 --> 02:28:57,053
drink anything or really eat
anything because it was like so low.

1859
02:28:58,972 --> 02:29:01,057
It was pretty miserable.

1860
02:29:05,979 --> 02:29:09,732
I decided to do this workout,
“The Linnea Quigley Horror

1861
02:29:09,774 --> 02:29:14,028
Workout". Everybody was doing
it. So we decided to do a campy

1862
02:29:14,028 --> 02:29:18,700
version with zombies and with
girls at a slumber party and you know,

1863
02:29:18,700 --> 02:29:22,120
just throwing everything,
throw it into the mix.

1864
02:29:22,120 --> 02:29:25,331
I know what you're doing
when you're watching my

1865
02:29:25,331 --> 02:29:29,127
movies. Just how many
calories Do you think that's burns?

1866
02:29:29,169 --> 02:29:36,468
We had a really fun time doing it because
it was so tongue in cheek. Supposed

1867
02:29:36,468 --> 02:29:44,142
to be taking place on the mountain with
gravestones and this whole dramatic thing.

1868
02:29:44,184 --> 02:29:51,399
Well, the fire marshals decided to do like a fire
test up there. So we got kicked out of there and

1869
02:29:51,441 --> 02:29:59,032
went to my parents house, and decided to film by the pool,
and then have the zombies jump in the pool.

1870
02:29:59,073 --> 02:30:01,075
Okay! Everybody into the pool!

1871
02:30:04,120 --> 02:30:10,084
Cynthia Garris, Mick Garris‘s wife,
choreographed the whole thing so she was across

1872
02:30:10,084 --> 02:30:16,090
the pool, because I'm not a great, you know,
dancer. I wasn't aerobically trained.

1873
02:30:16,090 --> 02:30:22,138
So she was helping me out with that. And she
was actually one of the slumber party girls too.

1874
02:30:22,138 --> 02:30:28,186
I think when they label you scream queen,
to me, it's an honor, it's taken like a flip flop.

1875
02:30:28,228 --> 02:30:33,650
So I don't think it's limiting now,
but it was limiting then. I would

1876
02:30:33,650 --> 02:30:39,155
say advice for screaming on camera
would be just go all out and do it.

1877
02:30:44,160 --> 02:30:46,246
Also,
know that you're going to get a headache

1878
02:30:46,246 --> 02:30:48,248
after doing it a lot.
So bring some aspirin.

1879
02:30:54,170 --> 02:30:57,549
I think horror changed a
lot when we were in people's

1880
02:30:57,549 --> 02:31:01,177
living rooms. I think that
people got to know you better,

1881
02:31:01,219 --> 02:31:07,559
they could go seek you out in a video store and say,
"Oh, you know, I really liked that person.

1882
02:31:07,559 --> 02:31:14,232
Do you have another movie by her or him?" Or,
you know, "is there another part two or part three?“

1883
02:31:14,232 --> 02:31:18,194
It's a way to really get into someone's heart.

1884
02:31:35,295 --> 02:31:38,923
After "Friday the 13th" and
then a couple of more sequels,

1885
02:31:38,965 --> 02:31:43,052
and then "Nightmare on Elm Street"
we knew the genre was changing.

1886
02:31:43,094 --> 02:31:46,639
And one of the pitfalls
in horror films in general,

1887
02:31:46,639 --> 02:31:52,228
is that you think it's a compounding of
grim scenes and suspense and desperation.

1888
02:31:52,270 --> 02:31:57,275
But it isn't that way. It has
to have hills and valleys,

1889
02:31:57,275 --> 02:32:03,072
and lots of times some kind of comic relief really,
really helps.

1890
02:32:03,114 --> 02:32:09,078
Sandy.

1891
02:32:09,078 --> 02:32:14,959
You have a man who's writing and who's isolated from his family,
dealing with sort of

1892
02:32:15,001 --> 02:32:21,090
these Vietnam flashbacks. You're dealing
with like the death of a kid at certain points.

1893
02:32:21,132 --> 02:32:23,509
And there's definitely
some trauma issues

1894
02:32:23,509 --> 02:32:26,262
that you're -- they're
exploring in that movie.

1895
02:32:26,262 --> 02:32:31,517
Bill Katt was just terrific casting. And
then Steve Miner is the one who really

1896
02:32:31,517 --> 02:32:37,273
believed in that and really thought that
he could bring it off and he did a great job.

1897
02:32:37,315 --> 02:32:41,402
You've been in Vietnam, lost your only child,
your wife divorced you. I mean,

1898
02:32:41,402 --> 02:32:45,114
you've got a few marbles running around,
but right now you seem fine.

1899
02:32:45,114 --> 02:32:51,371
You have crazy characters popping in,
you have Richard Moll as Big Ben.

1900
02:32:51,371 --> 02:32:54,332
Big Ben? - No, it's your fairy godmother [laughing].

1901
02:32:54,332 --> 02:33:02,256
Our hope initially was that Big Ben was going to become iconic,
but he didn't.

1902
02:33:04,300 --> 02:33:07,136
You're pissing me off, Roger.

1903
02:33:07,136 --> 02:33:12,934
This notion of of a zombie
GI rotting off the bone,

1904
02:33:12,934 --> 02:33:18,147
that he would come
back and really raise hell.

1905
02:33:18,147 --> 02:33:19,399
Roger, you hit like a little girl!

1906
02:33:19,399 --> 02:33:24,112
For some magical reason,
people didn't buy into him as being a

1907
02:33:24,112 --> 02:33:29,283
super villain the way they bought
into other characters at the time.

1908
02:33:29,283 --> 02:33:35,206
You can't get rid of me, Roger. You can't and you never will!

1909
02:33:35,248 --> 02:33:40,503
A good poster will tell the audience what it's going to see,
"House" had a

1910
02:33:40,503 --> 02:33:46,342
great line and an image of like a zombie finger it goes,
"Ding Dong, you're dead.“

1911
02:33:46,384 --> 02:33:54,183
[laughing] Like I just thought that was delightful
because it suggested that we weren't taking it completely

1912
02:33:54,183 --> 02:34:01,441
seriously. But that it was a haunted house and that people were at risk,
that was kind of inspired.

1913
02:34:09,198 --> 02:34:14,746
Our original twist love affair started
with the unmasking of who a killer

1914
02:34:14,746 --> 02:34:20,293
was or who the bad guy was. And that
goes all the way back to Scooby Doo.

1915
02:34:20,293 --> 02:34:26,007
Scooby D00 is just a horror movie in animated segments of a killer or a bad guy,
and that sort of that

1916
02:34:26,007 --> 02:34:32,221
gateway into watching the real movies where you want
the unmasking of who the killer is or who the bad guy is.

1917
02:34:32,221 --> 02:34:38,436
Everybody always references ooh Freddy or Jason. And they go,
“What's

1918
02:34:38,478 --> 02:34:45,234
your favorite movie?" and I go,
"April Fool's Day" and it blows their mind.

1919
02:34:45,234 --> 02:34:49,238
They're like, "why?" And I was like,
"Well, if you actually watch "April

1920
02:34:49,280 --> 02:34:53,242
Fool's Day",
it's a great slasher movie with a fantastic performance",

1921
02:34:53,242 --> 02:34:57,789
because if you actually watch her there, Foreman, she's creepy.

1922
02:34:57,789 --> 02:35:03,044
Criminally under-looked. It tells the
story of a bunch of friends who were invited

1923
02:35:03,044 --> 02:35:08,299
to their friend's house for a weekend
and they all just start dropping like flies.

1924
02:35:13,805 --> 02:35:16,682
My favorite kill is probably
the first one where the

1925
02:35:16,682 --> 02:35:19,393
guy has his face chopped
up with the boat motor.

1926
02:35:19,393 --> 02:35:27,026
You talk about roast beef,
it is just a shredder. The kills

1927
02:35:27,026 --> 02:35:33,241
are great. The comedy
is off the charts. It's smart,

1928
02:35:33,282 --> 02:35:35,326
it's funny.

1929
02:35:42,291 --> 02:35:45,753
I think it's probably my all time favorite
horror movie just because of the twist,

1930
02:35:45,795 --> 02:35:47,380
blew my mind at
the end of the movie.

1931
02:35:53,302 --> 02:35:56,639
It's not just about,
'I thought the killer was somebody else',

1932
02:35:56,639 --> 02:35:59,308
because you always try
to figure out the mystery.

1933
02:36:03,271 --> 02:36:06,983
Yeah, having twists in - especially in '80s horror movies,
whether

1934
02:36:06,983 --> 02:36:11,362
they're the big movies or the obscure ones,
those always get you a little bit.

1935
02:36:11,404 --> 02:36:13,406
April fools.

1936
02:36:24,292 --> 02:36:30,256
The construct of the story for "Demons"
is a group of people are watching a movie,

1937
02:36:30,256 --> 02:36:35,428
we're watching the people watch the movie,
as they're watching a movie.

1938
02:36:35,428 --> 02:36:40,933
So I am a working girl on a day off
with my best friend and the fellow who,

1939
02:36:40,933 --> 02:36:45,479
let's say collects the money
for us. And we get a free ticket.

1940
02:36:45,479 --> 02:36:53,154
I pick up the mask and something inside the
mask scratches my face. There's three levels

1941
02:36:53,154 --> 02:37:00,578
of demons, and by the way it's “demone",
that's how we say it in Italy, it's demone.

1942
02:37:00,578 --> 02:37:04,707
So there's three different levels
and the first level is infection. That's

1943
02:37:04,707 --> 02:37:08,544
when hell will open because the
demons are going to come onto Earth,

1944
02:37:08,544 --> 02:37:13,591
and try to take over the dominion
of Earth. Dario Argento and

1945
02:37:13,633 --> 02:37:19,597
Sacchetti and Ferrini and Lamberto Bava,
the four authors of the script,

1946
02:37:19,597 --> 02:37:23,392
they knew the story, "Yeah,
we're gonna do this. It's gonna be a film and

1947
02:37:23,392 --> 02:37:27,480
a film of some kids in a film“. But it
took them two years to make the rules.

1948
02:37:27,480 --> 02:37:31,317
What were the rules of
hell? What were the rules of

1949
02:37:31,359 --> 02:37:36,030
demons? And what is a demon?
It can come through the screen,

1950
02:37:36,072 --> 02:37:40,201
it can come around you
and it can get into your blood

1951
02:37:40,242 --> 02:37:44,372
system. My face exploding
was my first clay on the set.

1952
02:37:44,413 --> 02:37:48,334
In the ladies room,
I look in the mirror and the audience

1953
02:37:48,376 --> 02:37:52,546
sees the pulse get bigger and
bigger and bigger and explode.

1954
02:37:55,383 --> 02:37:58,594
And from that moment on [claps],
we're running,

1955
02:37:58,594 --> 02:38:03,391
the movie never slows down again.
Then you can't get out. Isn't that

1956
02:38:03,432 --> 02:38:07,436
everyone's fear? You're in a
box or in a group you're with

1957
02:38:07,478 --> 02:38:11,524
a gang you don't know anybody.
And now you can't get out.

1958
02:38:11,565 --> 02:38:18,948
There's not any "You're bad,
you had sex so you must die“. It really is the larger concept of

1959
02:38:18,990 --> 02:38:26,414
how much can you stay human,
your humanity within a bad situation that you can't get out of.

1960
02:38:26,414 --> 02:38:32,837
That's the real message. And it's a
movie with this amazing soundtrack. I mean,

1961
02:38:32,837 --> 02:38:39,427
Billy Idol, Go West and then you have Claudio Simonetti,
and you have The Goblin.

1962
02:38:39,468 --> 02:38:42,263
There's something about metal,

1963
02:38:42,263 --> 02:38:47,435
that to them it's the
standout loner against society,

1964
02:38:49,437 --> 02:38:54,942
and there's so many great effects and
demone - demons - the eyeball gauche,

1965
02:38:54,942 --> 02:38:58,404
it's a real man. And
they put padding on there.

1966
02:38:58,446 --> 02:39:04,076
So they had a system that when I put my hands in the pad,
there was gel,

1967
02:39:04,076 --> 02:39:09,457
and I knew don't go past the gel
because his real eyes are in there.

1968
02:39:09,457 --> 02:39:14,920
And the birth of the demon
that comes out of Paula's back,

1969
02:39:14,920 --> 02:39:20,509
that was a mechanical thing
that Sergio Stivaletti created.

1970
02:39:20,509 --> 02:39:26,432
Just look at that doll. Look at
that creature that comes out,

1971
02:39:26,432 --> 02:39:32,521
excellently done. They love
that! They love the the guts of it.

1972
02:39:32,563 --> 02:39:37,443
The helicopter. It
was a technical way of

1973
02:39:37,443 --> 02:39:43,532
how the helicopter got
through the roof. It's not

1974
02:39:43,532 --> 02:39:49,497
magic. It's the mechanics
of movie making. So as

1975
02:39:49,497 --> 02:39:55,461
everyone's running toward the camera,
I'm hiding.

1976
02:39:55,461 --> 02:40:01,092
I'm hiding - I'm hiding behind pillars,
I'm hiding behind things because I want to be sure I don't

1977
02:40:01,092 --> 02:40:06,472
get killed on scene. I want to be sure my
head doesn't go flying with that helicopter plane.

1978
02:40:10,476 --> 02:40:14,939
The humanity of it is the secret of
the movie. Watch all these people doing

1979
02:40:14,939 --> 02:40:19,610
the best they can in the worst
circumstances. And not everyone's going to win.

1980
02:40:37,503 --> 02:40:42,049
"Vamp" is the story of three
kids who go downtown to

1981
02:40:42,049 --> 02:40:46,720
a strip club to procure some
unappareled refreshment,

1982
02:40:46,720 --> 02:40:52,601
I guess is what you want to call it,
and end up running into a nest of vampires.

1983
02:40:54,520 --> 02:40:58,983
Richard Wenk,
the writer director had a terrific vision of what

1984
02:40:58,983 --> 02:41:03,529
he wanted. He wanted to make
a horror movie that utilized humor.

1985
02:41:07,533 --> 02:41:09,076
"Vamp" for me was trying to fit in.

1986
02:41:09,076 --> 02:41:13,080
Take me with you and just
pretend to be my friends for a week.

1987
02:41:13,122 --> 02:41:15,541
Hey guys,
I'm psyched. Let's party.

1988
02:41:15,541 --> 02:41:16,709
At what cost? [chuckles[

1989
02:41:19,545 --> 02:41:26,719
I was so stoked to meet Grace Jones.
She was perfectly cast to play Katrina.

1990
02:41:26,760 --> 02:41:31,307
We were all worried if Grace
Jones was going to show up on

1991
02:41:31,307 --> 02:41:36,604
the set or not [laughing]. She
surprised us in a lot a lot of ways,

1992
02:41:36,604 --> 02:41:42,067
I have to say. I think all of us were kind
of like vamping [laughing] so you know,

1993
02:41:42,109 --> 02:41:46,655
in some way. When Grace Jones came on the set,
the air would change.

1994
02:41:46,655 --> 02:41:52,995
I do remember one incident where I had opened the door,
and there was Grace Jones and she

1995
02:41:52,995 --> 02:41:59,668
was stark naked. And underneath her this man was painting her,
turned out to be Keith Haring.

1996
02:41:59,668 --> 02:42:04,256
Keith was just slowly
drawing white lines on her

1997
02:42:04,298 --> 02:42:09,637
beautiful ebony body. It was
just unbelievable to watch.

1998
02:42:09,637 --> 02:42:13,557
I give you Katrina.

1999
02:42:13,599 --> 02:42:18,896
The dance,
that was pretty cool. None of us knew what to expect. The red

2000
02:42:18,896 --> 02:42:24,568
wig that she had on,
at first I kept thinking it looked like Ronald McDonald.

2001
02:42:24,610 --> 02:42:29,114
I said,
"How in the hell is this gonna work?“ But it worked! I sat there and went,

2002
02:42:29,114 --> 02:42:30,741
"Oh my god, she looks great".

2003
02:42:38,624 --> 02:42:42,002
Grace Jones is so charismatic
and her character was

2004
02:42:42,002 --> 02:42:45,881
so strong that she didn't
need to talk. She was all action.

2005
02:42:45,881 --> 02:42:52,680
You like to play rough, huh?

2006
02:42:52,721 --> 02:42:57,476
When we were filming the death scene,
Grace was just so wild. You know,

2007
02:42:57,518 --> 02:43:02,731
she came onto set nine hours late one night,
howling saying, “Where's my man?"

2008
02:43:02,773 --> 02:43:05,776
and the whole crew just went [laughing].

2009
02:43:09,780 --> 02:43:15,202
She had attacked my neck like a pitbull,
like a shark on a fish and didn't

2010
02:43:15,244 --> 02:43:20,958
realize that the teeth actually penetrated
the latex and went into my jugular.

2011
02:43:20,958 --> 02:43:27,756
And I was writhing in pain,
screaming in agony and she didn't realize how

2012
02:43:27,756 --> 02:43:34,888
badly I was hurt,
and it could have been a lot worse than how it turned out.

2013
02:43:34,930 --> 02:43:39,935
How you're doing back there, Duncan? - I'm hungry. - He's okay.

2014
02:43:39,935 --> 02:43:44,565
It was the first time I've ever
was transformed into a vampire,

2015
02:43:44,565 --> 02:43:47,067
so it was pretty
exciting for me.

2016
02:43:47,067 --> 02:43:53,615
They started to proceed to put on the
prosthetics on my face. I watched myself turn into my

2017
02:43:53,657 --> 02:44:01,081
grandfather, and it was a little scary. There's a
certain kind of empowerment that you feel [chuckles]

2018
02:44:01,123 --> 02:44:06,503
when you're put into a costume,
and this one was kind of like okay, I got

2019
02:44:06,503 --> 02:44:12,259
the teeth, I got power which really surprised me,
because I think my character

2020
02:44:12,259 --> 02:44:18,265
was - was empowered now all of a sudden he
had this power even though he eventually was going

2021
02:44:18,307 --> 02:44:24,313
to die, but still, you know,
why not go out in a flame if you have to. Literally [laughing].

2022
02:44:42,247 --> 02:44:46,251
“The Seventh Curse" came out in 1986, it's a hidden gem I would say.

2023
02:44:46,251 --> 02:44:51,590
Hong Kong cinema was very much
like two fold - you had action and comedy.

2024
02:44:51,590 --> 02:44:57,304
Then the other side we were incorporating
a lot of fantasy and horror as well.

2025
02:45:02,351 --> 02:45:05,145
Directed by Simon Nam. He went
on to direct "The Story of Ricky"

2026
02:45:05,145 --> 02:45:08,565
which is kind of a very over the top
action movie with lots of blood and gore.

2027
02:45:08,565 --> 02:45:15,280
The plot revolves around Dr. Yuen played by Chin Siu-ho,
who's a fantastic martial

2028
02:45:15,280 --> 02:45:21,537
artist. Dr. Yuen is warned of a curse
after being attacked in his apartment.

2029
02:45:25,457 --> 02:45:28,877
The film flashes back,
where we see him saving a girl

2030
02:45:28,919 --> 02:45:32,506
called Betsy from an evil
tribe called The Worm Tribe.

2031
02:45:35,467 --> 02:45:38,679
After saving her from being sacrificed, he is cursed.

2032
02:45:38,720 --> 02:45:43,600
He decides to head back to Thailand to get rid of this tribe,
so he can live forever

2033
02:45:43,642 --> 02:45:48,689
without having to look over his shoulder
thinking he's going to die in a year's time.

2034
02:45:52,568 --> 02:45:56,613
He gets the advice by Wisely played by Chow Yun-fat,
who is barely in the movie,

2035
02:45:56,613 --> 02:46:00,784
he's - he pops up in the beginning,
he's a little bit near the sort of middle act.

2036
02:46:00,784 --> 02:46:03,537
And he pops up at the
end with a rocket launcher,

2037
02:46:03,537 --> 02:46:05,664
which is a great
sequence [chuckles].

2038
02:46:10,669 --> 02:46:12,671
When it comes to the action, the film completely delivers.

2039
02:46:19,678 --> 02:46:25,267
They try and push the gore as much as
possible. They actually quite- it's quite sprinkled

2040
02:46:25,309 --> 02:46:30,814
throughout. You see someone's stomach get ripped apart,
all these worms fall out of it.

2041
02:46:30,814 --> 02:46:37,362
A guy's head gets ripped off,
blood gets drained from him. They give it a go and

2042
02:46:37,362 --> 02:46:43,911
it does work to a certain degree,
but it does provide some unintentional laughs.

2043
02:46:43,911 --> 02:46:47,915
Watching this movie,
I had a huge smile on my face. If you love your Hong Kong action, if

2044
02:46:47,956 --> 02:46:52,085
you love your fantasy and you love horror
thrown into that with elements of Indiana Jones,

2045
02:46:52,085 --> 02:46:56,048
it's a movie you've got to watch because it's so bonkers and silly.

2046
02:47:12,981 --> 02:47:17,027
The original "Little Shop of Horrors"
by Roger Corman is about a florist,

2047
02:47:17,069 --> 02:47:18,987
Seymour,
whose shop is struggling,

2048
02:47:18,987 --> 02:47:23,116
until he grows this
amazing Venus fly trap but

2049
02:47:23,116 --> 02:47:27,704
the problem is it only
eats human flesh. The 1982

2050
02:47:27,704 --> 02:47:32,376
musical stage production
was adapted into the 1986

2051
02:47:32,417 --> 02:47:37,089
film directed by Frank Oz
and starring Rick Moranis.

2052
02:47:37,130 --> 02:47:41,218
It seems like the whole world is going
crazy. At least we got each other ,right?

2053
02:47:41,218 --> 02:47:45,013
Audrey too is incredible.
These practical

2054
02:47:45,055 --> 02:47:49,142
effects were outstanding.
They look so good.

2055
02:47:49,184 --> 02:47:55,148
Does it have to be human?- Feed me! Does it have to be mine?
- Feed me!

2056
02:47:55,190 --> 02:47:57,568
In order to get
the lip sync perfect,

2057
02:47:57,568 --> 02:48:02,281
they had to slow down the frame
rate of the plant. But it works fantastic.

2058
02:48:02,281 --> 02:48:07,202
You sure do drive a hard market.

2059
02:48:07,244 --> 02:48:12,249
Ellen Greene is great. I mean, she has this funny squeaky voice.

2060
02:48:12,249 --> 02:48:16,295
I call it an Audrey ll. - After me?
- I hope you don't mind [squeaky shriek].

2061
02:48:16,336 --> 02:48:18,505
But then when she sings, it's - it's gorgeous.

2062
02:48:27,306 --> 02:48:31,560
The songs are wonderful. Also,
you have this great cameo by Steve

2063
02:48:31,560 --> 02:48:36,440
Martin who plays this deranged
dentist who likes to inflict pain on people.

2064
02:48:42,404 --> 02:48:45,157
But then he meets his
match with Bill Murray,

2065
02:48:45,157 --> 02:48:48,952
who's this patient who doesn't
want any Novocaine or anything.

2066
02:48:48,994 --> 02:48:50,579
Say "Ah". - "Ahhhhh!"

2067
02:48:50,579 --> 02:48:52,914
And Bill Murray is
actually filling in the

2068
02:48:52,914 --> 02:48:55,626
role that Jack Nicholson
played in the original.

2069
02:48:55,626 --> 02:48:58,503
I know Novocaine, it dulls the senses [laughing].

2070
02:48:58,503 --> 02:49:05,469
The original ending was not a happy one. In fact,
it's relentlessly dark and morbid, Seymour's

2071
02:49:05,469 --> 02:49:12,643
girlfriend Audrey is fatally wounded by the
plan and then he sacrifices her corpse to the plant.

2072
02:49:12,684 --> 02:49:18,440
He slowly carries her up,
like it's some kind of ceremony. It's tragic,

2073
02:49:18,482 --> 02:49:21,693
yet somehow beautiful
at the same time.

2074
02:49:28,617 --> 02:49:35,666
He confronts the original plant, only to be eaten himself.

2075
02:49:36,667 --> 02:49:42,756
The plants attack the city. And it's a full on destruction sequence,
where the plants

2076
02:49:42,756 --> 02:49:48,720
destroy everything. And it's some of the
best miniature model work I've ever seen.

2077
02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:54,685
Everybody in the whole world
dies. It's so insanely depressing,

2078
02:49:54,685 --> 02:49:57,771
that it's no wonder they cut it.

2079
02:50:02,776 --> 02:50:04,027
I mean, that was pretty crazy.

2080
02:50:12,828 --> 02:50:17,833
The allure of horror isn't just
watching other people in terror,

2081
02:50:17,874 --> 02:50:21,878
it's identifying with the
people who are in terror.

2082
02:50:21,878 --> 02:50:28,009
People in life naturally walk away from fear. But in watching a horror movie,
it allows

2083
02:50:28,051 --> 02:50:34,057
you to confront that while someone else is going through it,
doesn't have to be you.

2084
02:50:34,057 --> 02:50:38,520
And usually there's somebody
in the film that is victorious,

2085
02:50:38,520 --> 02:50:42,149
and by osmosis it makes
you feel more confident.

2086
02:50:45,986 --> 02:50:49,489
The whole idea behind living our lives
is having enough ordinary care to see

2087
02:50:49,489 --> 02:50:53,201
whatever threats may materialize over
the horizon. That's what's basic to horror.

2088
02:50:53,201 --> 02:50:59,624
If I am that person,
how do I get out of that situation? How do I live through this

2089
02:50:59,666 --> 02:51:06,173
moment? We can experience that horror
and that terror through somebody else's eyes.

2090
02:51:06,173 --> 02:51:11,052
And there's also a giant sense of
catharsis and kind of a projection of,

2091
02:51:11,094 --> 02:51:16,183
what if that was me? Are they making
the right decisions that I would make?

2092
02:51:21,146 --> 02:51:25,692
Sometimes you end up rooting more for the monster than for the kids.

2093
02:51:25,692 --> 02:51:31,364
Now, in the traditional horror movie, we often saw things from
the victim's point of view, but that's no longer. Now we look through

2094
02:51:31,364 --> 02:51:37,245
the killer's eyes. It's almost as if the audience is being asked to
identify the attackers in these movies. And that really bothers me.

2095
02:51:37,245 --> 02:51:41,875
Jason was meant to be kind
of a shark. And he made this

2096
02:51:41,917 --> 02:51:47,297
transition from being a shark to being somehow or other,
a hero.

2097
02:51:47,339 --> 02:51:53,470
There's this tiny little backstory
about Jason being picked on as a kid,

2098
02:51:53,470 --> 02:51:56,348
tormented and
then finally drown.

2099
02:51:59,434 --> 02:52:01,770
And ever since he came back,

2100
02:52:01,812 --> 02:52:08,485
he's been kicking ass. And it's sort of
like Revenge of the Nerds on steroids.

2101
02:52:15,408 --> 02:52:18,954
There's a certain kind
of identification with

2102
02:52:18,954 --> 02:52:22,624
Jason being the super
ego of the depressed kid.

2103
02:52:22,624 --> 02:52:26,962
You get to have your fantasy that
you're the killer. You're ripping out hearts,

2104
02:52:27,003 --> 02:52:31,508
you're ripping out throats,
"You know what boss? I'll tell you what I like to do“.

2105
02:52:31,508 --> 02:52:36,513
You could be the little person that
finally got to beat up the meanies. You

2106
02:52:36,513 --> 02:52:41,643
could be the girl that nobody liked,
and you're going to get them in the end.

2107
02:52:46,565 --> 02:52:54,072
I think it's more like vicariousness. I don't think it's
catharsis. I think people maybe are curious about how

2108
02:52:54,072 --> 02:53:01,788
it would feel to be in a power position,
or curious about the rush that you would get out of executing somebody.

2109
02:53:05,667 --> 02:53:09,254
Watch people how much
they love video games too. Like,

2110
02:53:09,254 --> 02:53:12,924
it's not catharsis. I think
it's - it's more than that.

2111
02:53:12,924 --> 02:53:17,846
It depends on what world you want to escape into. And I think if you watch the,
hey, I'm watching the

2112
02:53:17,888 --> 02:53:22,893
kids run through the woods to get their heads cut off,
you feel good, because you're not in the woods.

2113
02:53:22,893 --> 02:53:27,272
You - you live in a world that
you know doesn't - that doesn't

2114
02:53:27,314 --> 02:53:31,902
actually hopefully happen to
you. And then in that fantasy world,

2115
02:53:31,902 --> 02:53:34,696
or that spy adventure movie world,
you want to be one of

2116
02:53:34,696 --> 02:53:37,824
those characters. So there are
two completely different things.

2117
02:53:37,824 --> 02:53:43,330
The categorical difference between
a horror movie and a - a - a violent

2118
02:53:43,330 --> 02:53:49,085
action movie,
has to do with the experience. On “Death Wish“ you are Paul,

2119
02:53:49,085 --> 02:53:54,007
you get the gun,
you go out and you shoot these sort of faceless victims. In

2120
02:53:54,007 --> 02:53:59,054
a horror movie, you're the victim,
the whole experience is completely flipped.

2121
02:53:59,054 --> 02:54:03,350
That is a significant
difference on a cinematic level,

2122
02:54:03,391 --> 02:54:07,979
on a political level,
on what it has to say about society,

2123
02:54:08,021 --> 02:54:13,151
but it's also a difference critically in terms of how
it's getting at your subconscious. An action movie

2124
02:54:13,151 --> 02:54:18,239
of that type, it has a kind of wish fulfillment
aspect to it every time he goes out and shoots one of

2125
02:54:18,239 --> 02:54:22,994
these like hoodlums,
you get a dopamine hit. It's like a video game like, Oh,

2126
02:54:22,994 --> 02:54:28,083
I got another one. In a horror movie,
you know, it's - it's more like a nightmare.

2127
02:54:28,083 --> 02:54:32,253
You're put in this position of
kind of existential dread or threat

2128
02:54:32,295 --> 02:54:36,091
that is pursuing you in some way,
which gets into much, much

2129
02:54:36,132 --> 02:54:42,055
deeper aspects of human
nature. Horror movies have a much

2130
02:54:42,055 --> 02:54:49,312
more complicated and I would say
deeper level that they're getting at.

2131
02:54:55,193 --> 02:54:58,196
I was never really a video
game guy. I was more of a

2132
02:54:58,196 --> 02:55:01,408
pinball guy. Nowadays there's
an Elvira pinball machine.

2133
02:55:01,449 --> 02:55:06,246
There's a Rob Zombie pinball machine. I'm pinball, man.

2134
02:55:06,246 --> 02:55:08,415
Today you have a lot
of great horror games,

2135
02:55:08,415 --> 02:55:12,460
especially with the - the VR. I mean,
there's all kinds of things they can do now.

2136
02:55:17,298 --> 02:55:21,970
Even now, you have some that are based on '80s
horror films like The the recent "Friday the 13th video"

2137
02:55:21,970 --> 02:55:26,558
game, which is connected with Tom Savini and Kane Hodder,
but we didn't always have that. Back then,

2138
02:55:26,558 --> 02:55:32,355
video game technology wasn't as advanced.
Wizard Video was releasing these games like

2139
02:55:32,355 --> 02:55:38,611
“Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and "Halloween“.
In "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" you're the bad guy.

2140
02:55:38,653 --> 02:55:45,035
You are Leatherface and you're killing people. Like
there's no morals in this game, it's sort of like one of the

2141
02:55:45,076 --> 02:55:51,708
first real sadistic games where you control the killer,
you basically get points for chopping people up [chuckles].

2142
02:55:51,708 --> 02:55:56,838
One thing that's funny about the chainsaw
is that it's the same color as the body,

2143
02:55:56,838 --> 02:56:01,593
it's sort of like an extension of his body,
and you get stuck on everything.

2144
02:56:01,593 --> 02:56:06,598
And then there was "Halloween",
also on Atari. You're running from Michael Myers,

2145
02:56:06,598 --> 02:56:10,518
you have to get the kids and
move them to a corner of the house.

2146
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:15,607
And every time you do that,
you get 675 points. Very specific. It

2147
02:56:15,648 --> 02:56:20,862
also has what might be the first
head decapitation in a video game.

2148
02:56:20,862 --> 02:56:25,033
I mean,
I can't think of any games before that where a head gets cut off,

2149
02:56:25,075 --> 02:56:29,746
and you see blood spurting out. And it
also has the "Halloween" theme song in it.

2150
02:56:33,666 --> 02:56:39,839
They were super, super cheesy, just little pixels, so bad [laughing].

2151
02:56:39,881 --> 02:56:45,970
So the Atari version of "Alien",
basically took Pac-Man and

2152
02:56:45,970 --> 02:56:52,769
then just turned it into “Alien".
Frankenstein's monster on Atari,

2153
02:56:52,769 --> 02:56:58,024
it had this great moment where the
Frankenstein monster would approach the

2154
02:56:58,024 --> 02:57:03,863
screen. If you played in the dark at night,
the whole room would just flash green.

2155
02:57:10,870 --> 02:57:17,919
I did a few games, one was "Elvira: Mistress of the Dark".

2156
02:57:18,878 --> 02:57:23,049
One was "The Jaws of Cerberus“. I
don't know what I have to do with that.

2157
02:57:30,974 --> 02:57:36,187
And one was “Elvira The Arcade Game".
That kind of got better as time went on.

2158
02:57:40,984 --> 02:57:44,195
Everybody was grabbing theirjoystick and having a really good time.

2159
02:57:48,032 --> 02:57:52,453
There was this one game called "Monster
Party" for the NES. And I can remember

2160
02:57:52,495 --> 02:57:57,083
renting it as a kid and being really
excited because the box art was great on it,

2161
02:57:57,083 --> 02:58:00,044
it had all these different monsters on it,
and I popped the game in

2162
02:58:00,044 --> 02:58:03,131
and was kind of disappointed
because it wasn't as good as the box art.

2163
02:58:03,173 --> 02:58:10,847
It was an important lesson I learned about 'neverjudge
a game by its cover'. The interesting thing about horror

2164
02:58:10,847 --> 02:58:18,188
video games is that I've watched the graphics
progress to a point where they are able to get more graphic,

2165
02:58:18,188 --> 02:58:22,525
and as a result,
the games became more controversial. I remember hearing controversies about

2166
02:58:22,525 --> 02:58:27,238
"Doom", about “Resident Evil“,
even something like “Mortal Kombat" was a big deal when I was a kid.

2167
02:58:27,280 --> 02:58:32,785
And it was all because the graphics had progressed
to a point where you could show all these sort of graphic

2168
02:58:32,827 --> 02:58:38,458
things that you previously would have only been able to see in movies,
that you could now see in these games.

2169
02:58:38,458 --> 02:58:43,379
And a lot of parents groups and politicians did not like that.

2170
02:58:43,379 --> 02:58:46,674
You're engaged now as the aggressor,
you're engaged as the person

2171
02:58:46,674 --> 02:58:50,386
who commits the violence,
and not just someone who watches the violence.

2172
02:58:50,428 --> 02:58:55,767
“The Ghostbusters" game for the Commodore 64,
you are the Ghostbusters and you

2173
02:58:55,767 --> 02:59:01,606
start off a lot like the movie,
you have to go and buy all your different equipment,

2174
02:59:01,606 --> 02:59:06,277
you put it together and then
you go out and you hunt ghosts in

2175
02:59:06,319 --> 02:59:11,616
order to get enough money to be
able to get to the finale of the game.

2176
02:59:14,452 --> 02:59:18,915
You would get in the Ecto-1,
you would drive to the location and

2177
02:59:18,915 --> 02:59:23,670
there would be a ghost that looked
like Slimer that's flying around.

2178
02:59:23,670 --> 02:59:31,010
And you have to position your two
Ghostbusters together to trap the ghosts in between

2179
02:59:31,010 --> 02:59:38,726
the streams. And then you can suck them up in the trap. Not really challenging,
but fun.

2180
02:59:38,726 --> 02:59:45,275
"Nightmare on Elm Street" was one
of the few NES games where you could

2181
02:59:45,316 --> 02:59:52,532
play four players using the NES Four
score. You're running around Elm Street,

2182
02:59:52,532 --> 03:00:00,164
which happens to be the longest street in the world in this game,
but the idea is to collect all of Freddie's bones.

2183
03:00:00,206 --> 03:00:07,588
You have all these stock villains like lollipop ghosts with stick arms,
bats, skeletons, Frankenstein monsters,

2184
03:00:07,588 --> 03:00:12,510
it's so generic. Every once in a while Freddy would appear,
and it would

2185
03:00:12,510 --> 03:00:17,640
say 'Freddy's coming',
but it would be a 'Freddy's '- trademark - 'coming'.

2186
03:00:17,682 --> 03:00:23,438
“Friday the 13th" on NES might have
been one of the first horror games I've ever

2187
03:00:23,438 --> 03:00:29,527
played. And there's a bunch of items you
have to collect but you'll never have time

2188
03:00:29,527 --> 03:00:32,280
because this Jason alarm
keeps going off and you have

2189
03:00:32,322 --> 03:00:35,491
to keep on top of he's out
there killing the camp counselors.

2190
03:00:35,491 --> 03:00:39,454
Then you go inside the house and it
switches to 3D which was kind of cool at that

2191
03:00:39,495 --> 03:00:43,416
time. It was one of the first horror games
that really made an impression on me.

2192
03:00:43,416 --> 03:00:50,256
"You and your friends are dead. Game over.“ That's kind of rough,
you know? A

2193
03:00:50,256 --> 03:00:57,472
lot of these games don't really hold up,
but back then you used your imagination.

2194
03:00:57,472 --> 03:01:01,267
and you made the best of it,
because that's all we had. But we

2195
03:01:01,267 --> 03:01:05,355
would have never imagined that,
you know, all these decades later,

2196
03:01:05,355 --> 03:01:09,108
you get a real "Friday the 13th" game
that definitely feels more official than,

2197
03:01:09,150 --> 03:01:12,362
you know,
the type of games they would usually put out in the '80s.

2198
03:01:17,325 --> 03:01:22,538
The "Friday the 13th“ game. As a player,
you can play as Jason, which is fun,

2199
03:01:22,538 --> 03:01:27,460
or as any of the victims,
trying to get away from Jason or defeat Jason.

2200
03:01:27,460 --> 03:01:32,340
So I thought that was an ingenious
way of building a video game. In

2201
03:01:32,340 --> 03:01:37,387
this video game,
you can play as several different versions of Jason,

2202
03:01:37,387 --> 03:01:44,644
I was honored that they wanted me to be a part of it,
because this is animation, basically, so they could have

2203
03:01:44,685 --> 03:01:52,276
used anyone. But it was in their minds I was the person to do it,
because they liked how I moved as the character.

2204
03:01:55,405 --> 03:02:00,910
"Friday the 13th" video game,
I essentially did what I did on the movie,

2205
03:02:00,952 --> 03:02:06,332
except not physically,
right. My job was to sit down and create kills.

2206
03:02:12,130 --> 03:02:16,926
On paper,
they didn't seem so horrible and grisly,

2207
03:02:16,968 --> 03:02:24,142
but then seeing him in a game I was like “Oh,
God, you know, I wrote that”.

2208
03:02:24,142 --> 03:02:26,102
I created them on paper,

2209
03:02:26,144 --> 03:02:32,108
and then Kane Hodder donned the suit
and did the motion capture for all the kills.

2210
03:02:32,108 --> 03:02:36,654
You're wearing spandex,
which is scary to think of me in spandex anyway,

2211
03:02:36,696 --> 03:02:38,239
with sensors everywhere.

2212
03:02:38,239 --> 03:02:41,909
So I look at the monitor,
I see Jason. Whenever I would move I

2213
03:02:41,951 --> 03:02:46,205
would see exactly what the character
is going to look like in the game.

2214
03:02:46,205 --> 03:02:49,333
By the way,
Kane Hodder plays the game,

2215
03:02:49,333 --> 03:02:54,255
but he plays it as a camp counselor,
trying to outwit himself.

2216
03:02:54,297 --> 03:03:00,636
is it's not as easy as you would think. And I played as a counselor,
trying to

2217
03:03:00,636 --> 03:03:07,226
defeat Jason, and I just got my ass whooped. Eh,
it's more fun to be the bad guy.

2218
03:03:25,953 --> 03:03:28,873
"Angel Heart" was another
one of those Exorcist,

2219
03:03:28,873 --> 03:03:32,919
Rosemary's Baby kind of movies.
I think it's completely underrated.

2220
03:03:32,919 --> 03:03:37,965
I think it's one of Alan Parker's,
who directed, I think it's one of his best

2221
03:03:38,007 --> 03:03:42,887
ever. A guy making a deal with the
devil not really knowing it's the devil.

2222
03:03:42,887 --> 03:03:45,348
It's funny I have a
feeling I've met you before.

2223
03:03:45,389 --> 03:03:47,058
- I don't know,
I don't think so.

2224
03:03:47,058 --> 03:03:49,101
Mickey Rourke is terrific in it,

2225
03:03:49,101 --> 03:03:53,856
De Niro is terrific in it. And it's
great to see them operating together.

2226
03:03:53,898 --> 03:03:56,984
How terrible is wisdom when it brings no profit to the wise, Johnny.

2227
03:03:56,984 --> 03:04:02,240
That was one of the attractions
of it ,was we get to see Lisa Bonet,

2228
03:04:02,240 --> 03:04:04,825
the Cosby kid
as a little sexpot.

2229
03:04:04,867 --> 03:04:09,372
So the gods got you pregnant? - Yeah.
- I understand that. [woman laughing] Sorry.

2230
03:04:09,413 --> 03:04:11,832
I'm not,
it was the best fuck I ever had.

2231
03:04:11,832 --> 03:04:16,212
Very much about the '80s,
very much about behaving yourself and

2232
03:04:16,212 --> 03:04:20,925
not being as decadent and horrible
and cruel and awful to people as-

2233
03:04:20,967 --> 03:04:26,639
as the '80s allowed you to be,
seemed to be in fashion then. De Niro has this

2234
03:04:26,639 --> 03:04:32,937
spectacular moment he's talking about
the an egg as sort of a metaphor for the soul.

2235
03:04:32,937 --> 03:04:37,275
You know,
some religions think that the egg is the symbol of the soul,

2236
03:04:37,275 --> 03:04:38,734
did you know that?

2237
03:04:38,734 --> 03:04:44,490
And at the end of this beautiful speech
takes a big honkin‘ bite at the egg,

2238
03:04:44,532 --> 03:04:47,868
just big teeth and
everything right into it.

2239
03:04:53,708 --> 03:04:59,547
It's De Niro as you've never seen him,
or seen him before since. He's going down

2240
03:04:59,589 --> 03:05:05,803
the elevator at the end and descending
into hell and not having any choice about it.

2241
03:05:05,803 --> 03:05:10,808
It's a great horrible cautionary tale as well. But boy, oh boy.

2242
03:05:10,808 --> 03:05:16,856
The soul is immortal. Yours belongs to me.

2243
03:05:31,746 --> 03:05:37,335
"Creepshow 1" was such a success that they of course had to put out a sequel,
“Creepshow

2244
03:05:37,335 --> 03:05:42,590
2" was not as memorable as the first but it
did have some very memorable segments.

2245
03:05:42,590 --> 03:05:46,427
So here we were, you know,
in Arizona, you know,

2246
03:05:46,469 --> 03:05:50,640
doing another “Creepshow".
Mike Gornick directed it.

2247
03:05:50,640 --> 03:05:55,645
I love being with Mike Gornick. I might
have been a little miffed that I wasn't asked

2248
03:05:55,686 --> 03:06:00,691
to do the effects on it,
and I think their intention was to save money or something,

2249
03:06:00,691 --> 03:06:05,112
then they offered me the role of the creep. Okay,
great, you know, so. And I,

2250
03:06:05,154 --> 03:06:09,033
you know, I just mimed that whole thing,
the dialogue was recorded.

2251
03:06:09,033 --> 03:06:11,661
I never seen anyone so impatient, Billy.

2252
03:06:11,661 --> 03:06:18,334
In fact, when I played the creep,
I insisted that when my scene was over, I must immediately

2253
03:06:18,334 --> 03:06:24,465
have the makeup removed and walk into a
shower. My nightmares involve being sticky.

2254
03:06:24,465 --> 03:06:29,387
I can't be sticky. So wearing that makeup is the stickiest feel,
I hate wearing it, but it's

2255
03:06:29,387 --> 03:06:34,433
good that I have worn it because I know what
I'm doing to people when I put it on them, okay.

2256
03:06:34,433 --> 03:06:37,603
I never seen anyone so impatient, Billy.

2257
03:06:37,603 --> 03:06:42,608
Anthologies are hard. They're a
hard sell. Because if you had a story

2258
03:06:42,608 --> 03:06:47,530
that was good enough for a movie,
you'd make a whole movie about it.

2259
03:06:47,530 --> 03:06:53,953
Starts off with of course, the wooden Indian,
the old trope of the kind store owners that

2260
03:06:53,953 --> 03:07:00,418
are elderly get, you know,
beat up and killed by these creeps that are robbing the store.

2261
03:07:00,459 --> 03:07:02,420
And then of course,

2262
03:07:02,420 --> 03:07:08,342
the wooden Indian outside turns
real and murders these three kids.

2263
03:07:09,343 --> 03:07:16,267
Then we get to “The Raft,” which is great. They did a
great job of it. It's a creepy story about four friends who swim

2264
03:07:16,267 --> 03:07:23,441
out to a raft and then this giant oil slick that's living and
has magical powers that can mesmerize you, kills them all.

2265
03:07:27,820 --> 03:07:31,031
it's one of my wife's favorite movies but when I say to her,
"you know that was just

2266
03:07:31,031 --> 03:07:34,285
a big garbage" but no, no, no, no,
she doesn't want to hear about the effects, okay.

2267
03:07:37,246 --> 03:07:42,084
The creature in the lake,
using ultra slime and tinted metacil and all this

2268
03:07:42,084 --> 03:07:47,214
kind of stuff. This sequence where Page
Hannah is - is attacked by the creature.

2269
03:07:47,214 --> 03:07:53,179
We had a bunch of different gags we had an arm
prosthetic that I sculpted with bladders underneath it,

2270
03:07:53,179 --> 03:07:59,268
and then we built these different versions of her
sort of melted as the blob is kind of enveloping her.

2271
03:08:03,189 --> 03:08:08,819
One of the funniest moments of that was we were prepping for Chief Wooden Head,
and Howard Berger

2272
03:08:08,861 --> 03:08:14,200
had called and said,
"We need slime. We were shooting another shot and we're out of slime.“

2273
03:08:14,241 --> 03:08:19,246
I was like driving like 50 miles an hour,
60 miles an hour on these side streets.

2274
03:08:19,288 --> 03:08:24,126
And I turned a corner and one of the
buckets in the backseat spilled [claps].

2275
03:08:24,168 --> 03:08:30,257
And I looked at down at my feet and this black
sludge went up underneath the seat, my foot's now stuck

2276
03:08:30,299 --> 03:08:36,263
to the gas pedal and the brake. So we were
literally scooping it out and running to dress the set.

2277
03:08:36,263 --> 03:08:37,264
I beat you!

2278
03:08:37,264 --> 03:08:42,853
It's always tough to do a sequel I think,
and particularly an anthological

2279
03:08:42,895 --> 03:08:48,108
sequel because the expectations are already high,
because of how well

2280
03:08:48,108 --> 03:08:53,906
the first "Creepshow" did,
and how much it connected with fans. It was missing that

2281
03:08:53,906 --> 03:09:00,120
spark. It tries,
but I don't think it nearly reaches the heights that "Creepshow 1" did.

2282
03:09:19,974 --> 03:09:22,601
And what's great about
horror is you can make social

2283
03:09:22,643 --> 03:09:25,938
commentary while entertaining
people on this roller coaster ride.

2284
03:09:25,938 --> 03:09:32,945
You're not going to sit there passively in a Jackie Kong movie,
for sure. What's the story of "Blood Diner“? Blood

2285
03:09:32,945 --> 03:09:40,077
Diner is family loyalty gone wrong,
they love their uncle. The problem is the uncle is a psychopath serial killer.

2286
03:09:44,915 --> 03:09:49,879
The script was serious as a heart attack. From what I understood,
it was a scene by scene ripoff of

2287
03:09:49,879 --> 03:09:54,925
"Blood Feast". Herschel Gordon Lewis's execution
is a completely different execution of what I did.

2288
03:09:54,967 --> 03:09:58,971
"Blood Diner" transcends the genre.

2289
03:10:03,851 --> 03:10:08,772
I had the killers being extremely likable guys. It was not scripted that way,
it was scripted they

2290
03:10:08,814 --> 03:10:13,819
were supposed to be these ghoulish brothers that go around,
you could see them a mile away coming,

2291
03:10:13,819 --> 03:10:21,201
and they kill people and stitch together this
female Frankenstein in the back of their popular

2292
03:10:21,201 --> 03:10:29,001
restaurant [laughing]. The idea of reanimating
family members brain and having that brain tell you

2293
03:10:29,001 --> 03:10:34,298
to commit mass homicide, was so out there.

2294
03:10:34,298 --> 03:10:35,466
You, my nephews,

2295
03:10:35,466 --> 03:10:38,886
must construct Sheetar from the
body parts of many immoral girls.

2296
03:10:38,886 --> 03:10:44,767
It's really misguided fast loyalty at its extreme,
I wanted to shock people.

2297
03:10:44,767 --> 03:10:47,937
[saw sound] Am I doing this right, Uncle Anwar?

2298
03:10:47,937 --> 03:10:55,402
I was just having fun. It doesn't bother me to have a
naked woman doing nude aerobics because I'm a woman

2299
03:10:55,402 --> 03:11:02,701
[laughing]. A nude kung fu scene? No one had
ever done that. I had to do that. And why did I do that?

2300
03:11:02,701 --> 03:11:07,539
She's completely nude,
full bush [laughing]. I wanted

2301
03:11:07,539 --> 03:11:12,670
her to be naked because I
wanted her to look vulnerable.

2302
03:11:12,670 --> 03:11:14,254
You think it's an
easy kill for sure,

2303
03:11:14,296 --> 03:11:16,799
and that's when the - that's
where the surprise comes in.

2304
03:11:16,799 --> 03:11:22,763
And my job as the director is to throw
them off in the head another direction.

2305
03:11:22,763 --> 03:11:27,685
The people that I work with my actors and
my crew don't have a problem at all working with

2306
03:11:27,726 --> 03:11:32,648
a woman. Where you run into the problems are with the executives,
there was a disconnect.

2307
03:11:32,648 --> 03:11:39,863
How could this little Asian young
woman direct this outrageous off the hook,

2308
03:11:39,863 --> 03:11:42,282
violent movie,

2309
03:11:42,282 --> 03:11:44,868
right? [chuckles] Funny,

2310
03:11:44,910 --> 03:11:51,583
ridiculous absurdest piece.
Things haven't changed that much.

2311
03:11:51,583 --> 03:11:58,382
It's not a contest. It's really isn't,
it just is who's qualified to do it,

2312
03:11:58,382 --> 03:12:05,472
and I bring attention to that. My sets
look like the United Nations [laughing].

2313
03:12:05,514 --> 03:12:08,809
You've got every possible
nationality working,

2314
03:12:08,809 --> 03:12:12,479
and you've got half of the
crew if not more - women.

2315
03:12:12,521 --> 03:12:16,316
And that's why you see a big
representation of different ethnicities,

2316
03:12:16,316 --> 03:12:18,444
because that's the
way I saw the world.

2317
03:12:18,485 --> 03:12:20,487
Jesus fucking Christ, what am I paying you two for?

2318
03:12:20,487 --> 03:12:27,661
The way I saw that finale was like a
war scene. It was an insane undertaking,

2319
03:12:27,661 --> 03:12:34,418
but she bites that head off of a
virgin with her giant vagina [laughing].

2320
03:12:34,460 --> 03:12:40,841
With teeth in a ritual that brings her to life,
how absurd. Censors were

2321
03:12:40,841 --> 03:12:47,514
shutting it down. They said it had no
socially redeeming values whatsoever.

2322
03:12:47,514 --> 03:12:51,518
It just was misunderstood,
the film,

2323
03:12:51,518 --> 03:12:59,234
and it was way ahead of its time.
Yet I found my followers [laughing].

2324
03:12:59,234 --> 03:13:09,411
Right before I stick my big sausage in you,
what do they call 'ya?

2325
03:13:09,453 --> 03:13:14,792
They call me
Sheetar [growling].

2326
03:13:14,792 --> 03:13:18,504
"Hello Mary Lou: Prom

2327
03:13:18,545 --> 03:13:23,884
Night ll" is about this really

2328
03:13:23,884 --> 03:13:28,680
awesome chick living in the

2329
03:13:28,680 --> 03:13:34,019
'50s who is ahead of her time.

2330
03:13:34,019 --> 03:13:40,025
She loves to party and have sex with many,
many boys and finds herself murdered

2331
03:13:40,067 --> 03:13:46,031
as she's supposed to be coordinated by
one of those boys that she had scorned.

2332
03:13:51,787 --> 03:13:55,749
And she comes back to wreak havoc and
take her revenge and get her crown back.

2333
03:13:58,627 --> 03:14:02,422
She's presented as this sort of slutty character. In the '80s,
we would

2334
03:14:02,422 --> 03:14:06,593
say slutty,
but really what that means is that she sort of owns her sexuality.

2335
03:14:06,593 --> 03:14:11,598
It's not who you come with, it's who takes you home. Scram.

2336
03:14:11,598 --> 03:14:16,019
Mary Lou Maloney is my favorite,
I literally have the poster hanging over

2337
03:14:16,019 --> 03:14:20,482
my bed. She just was definitely
somebody I looked up to when I was little,

2338
03:14:20,482 --> 03:14:25,112
like she's just sexually open and
not apologizing for it. And I don't know,

2339
03:14:25,154 --> 03:14:27,406
and then her kills
were really cool.

2340
03:14:35,289 --> 03:14:38,792
It was a Canadian film that has nothing
to do with the original “Prom Night.”

2341
03:14:38,792 --> 03:14:42,254
The queer audience has gotten really,
really excited about "Hello Mary Lou".

2342
03:14:42,254 --> 03:14:46,216
It resonates for them in a way
that a lot of other '80s Films don't.

2343
03:14:46,216 --> 03:14:50,095
It's got a sort of a coding that
they have embraced and mapped to.

2344
03:14:50,095 --> 03:14:53,348
We've come a very long
way in how we think about that

2345
03:14:53,348 --> 03:14:57,019
kind of agency and about how
we judge that kind of behavior.

2346
03:14:57,019 --> 03:15:00,063
I think her whole situation is
absorbed by a contemporary

2347
03:15:00,105 --> 03:15:03,859
audience in a way that '80s audiences weren't ready to do,
or willing.

2348
03:15:03,859 --> 03:15:09,740
See you later alligator.

2349
03:15:21,543 --> 03:15:25,505
"Prince of Darkness" is a
movie that shows what happens

2350
03:15:25,547 --> 03:15:29,968
when John Carpenter gets
experimental. It goes straight for

2351
03:15:29,968 --> 03:15:34,223
the cerebral but then it
goes for a lot of the traditional

2352
03:15:34,264 --> 03:15:38,518
blood and guts that you would
expect in a Carpenter film.

2353
03:15:43,273 --> 03:15:46,568
I decided I wanted to make
some low budget movies again after

2354
03:15:46,568 --> 03:15:50,197
“Big Trouble Little China". "Prince
of Darkness“ was the first one.

2355
03:15:50,197 --> 03:15:55,494
It was inspired by Dario Argento's "lnferno“,
because he just did

2356
03:15:55,535 --> 03:16:02,042
things crazy - these crazy batshit things and I thought,
let's go. Let's try it.

2357
03:16:02,084 --> 03:16:08,257
The cast in this is one of the most diverse
casts of the '80s. But Carpenter has said he

2358
03:16:08,257 --> 03:16:14,930
didn't cast them to be diverse. He cast them
because they were the best choices for the roles.

2359
03:16:20,727 --> 03:16:25,148
I wanted to work with Victor
Wong and Dennis Dun again,

2360
03:16:25,148 --> 03:16:30,737
and I cast Donald Pleasance,
I thought what a really interesting cast.

2361
03:16:30,737 --> 03:16:36,743
What is it? - A secret that can no longer be kept.

2362
03:16:36,743 --> 03:16:42,082
“Prince of Darkness" features Alice Cooper as
one of the controlled homeless people, and Alice

2363
03:16:42,082 --> 03:16:47,421
was a nice guy, he brought along the gag where he stabs the guy,
it was from his stage show.

2364
03:16:47,462 --> 03:16:55,012
He just kind of wanders up on him,
very unassuming. And then all of a sudden [screams].

2365
03:16:55,012 --> 03:17:02,769
He is a member of the homeless community.
He has been possessed by the devil's particle,

2366
03:17:02,769 --> 03:17:06,982
whatever you want to call it,
the evil. And he is now the goalie.

2367
03:17:06,982 --> 03:17:11,320
He's keeping people in [chuckles]
or killing them as they come out.

2368
03:17:17,034 --> 03:17:23,123
Carpenter, as he does, masterfully balanced two things in this,
it was the war of science

2369
03:17:23,165 --> 03:17:29,087
and religion. You have science where
they're talking about black holes and particles,

2370
03:17:29,087 --> 03:17:32,674
and you have religion
where the son of the

2371
03:17:32,674 --> 03:17:36,762
anti God is being held
in a chamber in a church.

2372
03:17:36,762 --> 03:17:44,644
Every particle has an anti particle,
its mirror image. Maybe he's anti God.

2373
03:17:44,644 --> 03:17:51,568
The fact that they never really come out and say it's the devil,
is genius.

2374
03:17:51,568 --> 03:17:56,823
They found the God Particle. Where's
the devil's particle? And that I think is

2375
03:17:56,823 --> 03:18:02,537
where Prince of Darkness comes in. That
tells you how relevant that movie is today.

2376
03:18:02,579 --> 03:18:06,375
No person can hold him now.

2377
03:18:12,297 --> 03:18:18,220
I am eternal.

2378
03:18:18,220 --> 03:18:24,935
Freddie's personality was being quoted by Johnny Carson. It was in Mad Magazine,
it was in the funny

2379
03:18:24,976 --> 03:18:32,025
papers, it was being merchandised. When you become that part of the culture,
you follow it a little bit.

2380
03:18:32,025 --> 03:18:37,948
So the franchise exploited Freddie's sense of humor,

2381
03:18:37,948 --> 03:18:40,075
[woman screaming] This isn't helping.

2382
03:18:40,075 --> 03:18:45,872
And a kind of almost surreal,
subconscious, dreamlike sense of fun and

2383
03:18:45,872 --> 03:18:51,837
revenge that Freddy was going
through with the culture at the same time,

2384
03:18:51,878 --> 03:18:59,553
the Freddy merchandising now it - there's
something new every week. Literally. It's just amazing,

2385
03:18:59,553 --> 03:19:01,596
the amount of stuff,

2386
03:19:01,596 --> 03:19:07,686
from pencil sharpeners to squirt guns. There's silly stuff,
there's corny stuff.

2387
03:19:07,686 --> 03:19:13,358
I love finding old, like board games from Europe,
you know, and things like that are

2388
03:19:13,358 --> 03:19:19,406
fun for me to see them. I love the foreign posters,
like the one over my shoulder here,

2389
03:19:19,406 --> 03:19:26,204
that's from Thailand. Because they're more lurid. I
didn't suffer the curse of typecasting or and - and -

2390
03:19:26,204 --> 03:19:33,211
and when I did, I was prepared for it. I wasn't going
to be surprised by it. And I'd already proved myself.

2391
03:19:33,211 --> 03:19:39,384
Let me go! [woman screaming]. - Hey, hands on the counter, asshole!

2392
03:19:39,384 --> 03:19:45,182
It was a big deal to decide to be an actor or a
musician back when I was a kid. It was like a big

2393
03:19:45,182 --> 03:19:51,104
deal. In my generation, God, you know,
you can be an engineer, or you can be a doctor or a lawyer.

2394
03:19:51,146 --> 03:19:57,486
But that was it. That's what you're supposed to be. I did Shakespeare,
was paid for

2395
03:19:57,486 --> 03:20:03,867
it professionally,
union. Moliere. I did George Bernard Shaw. I did Arthur Miller.

2396
03:20:03,867 --> 03:20:09,289
I just love doing it. I was trained to do
that. And I was getting good parts and I was

2397
03:20:09,289 --> 03:20:14,753
predominantly doing comedy. So most of my
memory of theaters about getting that laugh.

2398
03:20:14,753 --> 03:20:21,593
1973 till 1983 I was not only an
established Hollywood character actor,

2399
03:20:21,593 --> 03:20:23,845
sidekick,

2400
03:20:23,887 --> 03:20:26,014
co star,

2401
03:20:26,056 --> 03:20:32,562
I side kicked all of the big stars
and then I moved into television.

2402
03:20:32,562 --> 03:20:37,526
And I played bad guys,
and I played - I've been playing a lot of southerners I don't know

2403
03:20:37,526 --> 03:20:42,822
why. I guess I'd learned something doing
"Tennessee Williams" but that's how Hollywood saw me.

2404
03:20:42,864 --> 03:20:44,407
Hey, quit stalling,

2405
03:20:44,449 --> 03:20:49,204
will 'ya! Just because you know you've
got a great hand. [punching sound].

2406
03:20:49,204 --> 03:20:53,917
was on "Manimal". I do know
that for the fan boys it did become,

2407
03:20:53,917 --> 03:20:57,337
like a kind of suspension
bridge of obsession.

2408
03:20:57,337 --> 03:21:03,552
You know,
with werewolf effects. A show like "Manimal" is a link in that genre.

2409
03:21:03,552 --> 03:21:10,016
And it deserves its asterisk you know,
and I deserve my residual check [chuckles].

2410
03:21:15,021 --> 03:21:16,856
And then luv".

2411
03:21:16,856 --> 03:21:23,905
I am just. - Just what? - Yes.
- Oh, get out of the way, damn stupid alien!

2412
03:21:23,905 --> 03:21:29,286
I do "V" and I've tapped into the great
science fiction Zeitgeist of the world,

2413
03:21:29,286 --> 03:21:33,748
not just America, then our movie
became a big hit. And I was off.

2414
03:21:33,790 --> 03:21:37,627
This is God.

2415
03:21:39,546 --> 03:21:44,342
Our budgets are getting a
little bit bigger for each movie,

2416
03:21:44,384 --> 03:21:48,221
but time got precious.
Not shooting. We never

2417
03:21:48,221 --> 03:21:53,059
were rush shooting. But post.
We would be shooting a movie,

2418
03:21:53,101 --> 03:21:57,314
and they would rely too
much on the Freddy jokes.

2419
03:21:57,314 --> 03:22:01,151
I could - I would have an option sometimes,
a scene would end with

2420
03:22:01,151 --> 03:22:05,363
me doing a joke or a wisecrack or a
kind of Dirty Harry make my day line.

2421
03:22:05,405 --> 03:22:12,162
Sorry, kid. I don't believe in fairy tales. [child crying]

2422
03:22:13,246 --> 03:22:17,042
And sometimes I would just do it without the line.

2423
03:22:20,003 --> 03:22:25,675
And sometimes I do it and just do it a little darker.
But when you're editing, that line

2424
03:22:25,675 --> 03:22:31,848
becomes your punctuation point,
it becomes your button that can, you know, button up the scene.

2425
03:22:31,848 --> 03:22:36,811
And give it a little percussive rimshot
so they erred in that direction a bit.

2426
03:22:36,811 --> 03:22:39,856
Krueger! - Well it ain't Dr. Seuss.

2427
03:22:39,856 --> 03:22:43,443
“Wes Craven's New Nightmare"
is a great film. And the most

2428
03:22:43,443 --> 03:22:47,697
popular of all the nightmare films
in the franchise is "Nightmare 3".

2429
03:22:47,697 --> 03:22:52,577
[screaming]

2430
03:22:52,619 --> 03:22:58,208
Gaston Leroux,
"Phantom of the Opera" was the Stephen King cheap thrill story of its

2431
03:22:58,208 --> 03:23:03,672
time. A Penny Dreadful. "Give me a
penny mate. I'll give you something dreadful."

2432
03:23:03,672 --> 03:23:06,591
Still hungry for an introduction?

2433
03:23:06,591 --> 03:23:12,097
We delivered the goods on our "Phantom
of the Opera“. The director Dwight Little

2434
03:23:12,097 --> 03:23:17,435
and I were kind of simultaneously
inspiring each other to be on the same page,

2435
03:23:17,477 --> 03:23:25,235
with this sort of homage, to the Hammer film,
which is why we transported our "Phantom of

2436
03:23:25,276 --> 03:23:29,155
the Opera" from the
Paris Opera of the 1890s

2437
03:23:29,197 --> 03:23:33,159
to the 1890s of London
of “Jack the Ripper”,

2438
03:23:33,159 --> 03:23:40,333
and the sets are scrumptious and
romantic and Stephanie Lawrence,

2439
03:23:40,333 --> 03:23:45,380
from Evita on the West
End playing our diva.

2440
03:23:45,380 --> 03:23:51,261
Bill Nighy,
“A bit of blood and guts here“. But we're

2441
03:23:51,302 --> 03:23:57,726
also doing the romantics
sumptuous on location richness.

2442
03:23:57,767 --> 03:24:01,396
So it was great fun.
But the other real

2443
03:24:01,438 --> 03:24:05,984
selling point for me on
"Phantom of the Opera"

2444
03:24:05,984 --> 03:24:09,904
was there was two
scripts. There was this

2445
03:24:09,904 --> 03:24:14,701
second script called "The
Phantom of Manhattan".

2446
03:24:14,701 --> 03:24:18,913
And it's ultra romantic. And
of course that attracted me

2447
03:24:18,955 --> 03:24:23,126
to play the romance of it.
The fans of not only "Phantom

2448
03:24:23,168 --> 03:24:25,754
of Opera“,
but my fans from Freddy,

2449
03:24:25,754 --> 03:24:31,384
there's a huge kind of strange goth,
romantic contingent. There are girls

2450
03:24:31,384 --> 03:24:37,223
that have a kind of "Beauty and the Beast“ attraction with Freddy. I mean,
to this day, I'm

2451
03:24:37,223 --> 03:24:43,104
so disappointed that we never got to do that second film,
you know, "Phantom of Manhattan".

2452
03:24:43,146 --> 03:24:47,400
Well,
here's the thing with "976-Evil ",nobody

2453
03:24:47,400 --> 03:24:51,488
held a gun to my head.
They made me a nice

2454
03:24:51,488 --> 03:24:54,449
offer. I was allowed to direct,

2455
03:24:54,449 --> 03:24:59,913
but I love the idea of “976-Evil".
It seems gimmicky now,

2456
03:24:59,913 --> 03:25:03,124
in hindsight,
but the body of it I liked,

2457
03:25:03,124 --> 03:25:08,463
and I had this great cast assembled.
I got Stephen Geoffreys fresh

2458
03:25:08,505 --> 03:25:10,673
off "Fright Night". Steven,

2459
03:25:10,673 --> 03:25:16,888
his look and his haircut and his sense - fashion sense,
he embodied the '80s.

2460
03:25:16,888 --> 03:25:23,228
Kevin Yagher, you know,
did me a big favor and designed this strange, wonderful makeup.

2461
03:25:23,228 --> 03:25:29,484
It's a great makeup. As he transforms
into evil as the devil gets his hooks into him.

2462
03:25:29,484 --> 03:25:34,447
Bye Bye.

2463
03:25:34,447 --> 03:25:39,786
I had great scenes with Robert Picardo
is the devil. The devil who runs the

2464
03:25:39,786 --> 03:25:45,500
976-Evil phone call site because that's
how he recruits people to the dark side.

2465
03:25:45,500 --> 03:25:49,170
I used to live in Radio
Shack when I was in

2466
03:25:49,170 --> 03:25:53,174
high school [sniffing].
But it didn't work out.

2467
03:25:53,174 --> 03:25:59,097
And he had some great comedy and I had to cut that stuff out.

2468
03:25:59,097 --> 03:26:00,181
A guy can't make a buck anymore.

2469
03:26:00,181 --> 03:26:03,560
And one over my - my
female producer Lisa Hansen,

2470
03:26:03,560 --> 03:26:08,189
she was seeing the movie through
my eyes. She saw where I was going.

2471
03:26:08,231 --> 03:26:13,486
She got ill in post production,
and the other producer came in and he

2472
03:26:13,528 --> 03:26:18,908
was just - he had read some how to make a horror movie book,
you know,

2473
03:26:18,908 --> 03:26:23,413
sold at Larry Edmunds for $1.99
remaindered in a paperback with a cigarette burn

2474
03:26:23,454 --> 03:26:27,876
on it. And he thought all horror movies
have to be 90 minutes and I was going,

2475
03:26:27,876 --> 03:26:32,338
"No, no,
no action movies have to be 90 minutes. Not horror

2476
03:26:32,338 --> 03:26:37,844
movies." There's still sequences
that are all mine in the boys bathroom.

2477
03:26:37,844 --> 03:26:44,017
You know, with the skateboards,
all the stuff with the mirror and him getting sliced by hoax.

2478
03:26:44,058 --> 03:26:50,773
That's pure, unadulterated Robert Englund, you know,
it would have been a third again, better movie,

2479
03:26:50,773 --> 03:26:57,739
had they left and trusted me with what it was. I mean,
I should get over it but it's your baby.

2480
03:26:57,780 --> 03:27:04,913
The reason I don't direct film as much is not because I'm intimidated by film,
but I am desired.

2481
03:27:04,913 --> 03:27:12,795
Because of my name and because of the seats I fill. And
because of my baggage that I bring. I am desired to always do effects

2482
03:27:12,795 --> 03:27:16,591
labeled movies. And it's rough
enough directing film because

2483
03:27:16,591 --> 03:27:20,803
once you say “action“,
[ticking sound] you're against the clock.

2484
03:27:20,803 --> 03:27:25,725
That's all you hear. Pre production is fun,
post production is ecstatic. But

2485
03:27:25,725 --> 03:27:30,730
the actual shooting of a movie is not
pleasant. You're not sleeping at night,

2486
03:27:30,730 --> 03:27:33,775
you're worried about getting your day,
it's not fun,

2487
03:27:33,816 --> 03:27:37,862
even when your actors and your
cameraman are bringing you great stuff.

2488
03:27:37,904 --> 03:27:43,743
The reason Robert Englund doesn't direct more
film is because people aren't asking me to direct the

2489
03:27:43,743 --> 03:27:49,916
films that I'm right for. Left to my own devices I'm
the guy that should be directing “Tender Mercies.”

2490
03:27:49,958 --> 03:27:52,794
That's the kind of film I would do the best.

2491
03:28:10,728 --> 03:28:12,730
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.

2492
03:28:12,730 --> 03:28:14,941
It's show time [thunder sound].

2493
03:28:14,941 --> 03:28:21,739
Beetlejuice is for me one of the movies
where it shows Tim Burton firing on all cylinders.

2494
03:28:21,739 --> 03:28:28,871
He was just absolutely in his element. It made
him one of the premiere directors of the '80s.

2495
03:28:32,750 --> 03:28:34,919
It's hilarious, it's weird,

2496
03:28:34,961 --> 03:28:40,842
it's funny. The cast is terrific. The
practical effects are great. Geena

2497
03:28:40,842 --> 03:28:44,220
Davis and Alec Baldwin
die. They go to the

2498
03:28:44,220 --> 03:28:48,933
afterlife and they find out
that they don't want to die.

2499
03:28:48,933 --> 03:28:54,605
The couple go back to their house. But unfortunately,
the worst family

2500
03:28:54,605 --> 03:29:00,737
ever moves in and wants to change
everything that they love about the house.

2501
03:29:00,737 --> 03:29:08,286
So they enlist the help of Beetlejuice,
who is the human Exorcist. He's there

2502
03:29:08,286 --> 03:29:15,835
to scare them out of the house.
Problem is Beetlejuice is a little eccentric.

2503
03:29:15,835 --> 03:29:19,756
What do we got here tonight, kids?

2504
03:29:19,756 --> 03:29:24,052
Michael Keaton surprises you all
the time. To see him play Beetlejuice. It

2505
03:29:24,052 --> 03:29:28,765
was such a great character and really
outrageous and wild and all over the place.

2506
03:29:28,765 --> 03:29:31,726
Scram!

2507
03:29:31,768 --> 03:29:33,811
That was neat to see that.

2508
03:29:38,733 --> 03:29:41,736
The “Day-O” scene was glorious to me.

2509
03:29:48,743 --> 03:29:52,747
I reenact that almost, you know, once a month [laughing].

2510
03:29:52,747 --> 03:29:57,043
I think Beetlejuice is the film that really
put Winona Ryder on the map. I mean,

2511
03:29:57,043 --> 03:29:58,753
she had such a great character.

2512
03:29:58,753 --> 03:30:02,715
It's kind of the updated Wednesday
Addams just this creepy little girl who

2513
03:30:02,715 --> 03:30:06,803
had to live in this creepy house with
her sort of creepy parents [laughing].

2514
03:30:06,803 --> 03:30:13,726
I am utterly alone [opera music playing in the background] [sniffs].

2515
03:30:13,768 --> 03:30:19,148
I think that's really one of the first times that you
saw what - what goth was all about, in comedy like

2516
03:30:19,148 --> 03:30:24,946
that. So that was exciting to see her and to realize
that she was such an outcast and you really felt for her,

2517
03:30:24,946 --> 03:30:27,782
which made me really happy. I liked that.

2518
03:30:30,284 --> 03:30:35,957
The waiting room is a prime example of Tim Burton's creativity in the '80s,
because you had all

2519
03:30:35,957 --> 03:30:41,838
these people who were waiting to go to the
afterlife and each one of them died in a different way.

2520
03:30:41,879 --> 03:30:48,594
So you had the circus performer who had been
sawed in half for real. You had the witch doctor

2521
03:30:48,636 --> 03:30:55,810
with the shrunken head. It's just brimming with
that wonderful Tim Burton stuff that we all miss.

2522
03:30:55,810 --> 03:31:02,817
You want a cigarette? - No, thank you. - Trying to cut down myself.

2523
03:31:02,817 --> 03:31:09,198
Well, Tim Burton, he's gonna surprise you and do some beautiful,
wonderful artwork and set designs,

2524
03:31:09,198 --> 03:31:15,872
he brings you into another world,
which I really adore. And his stories are fun. They just engage you.

2525
03:31:15,872 --> 03:31:20,751
You look great.

2526
03:31:20,751 --> 03:31:23,754
I wish I could have done one of his movies [laughing].

2527
03:31:23,754 --> 03:31:26,007
Can you be scary?

2528
03:31:26,007 --> 03:31:32,763
- Oh! Don't ask me if I can be
scary. What do you think of this?

2529
03:31:43,774 --> 03:31:48,821
You may not have heard of the term video
nasties or gross out films. These terms refer

2530
03:31:48,821 --> 03:31:53,743
to a whole group of pictures from a blood and guts,
sometimes real, sometimes fake.

2531
03:31:53,784 --> 03:32:00,249
In the UK, we had the video nasties which was
[chuckles] a reaction by the Conservative government to sort

2532
03:32:00,291 --> 03:32:06,881
of clamp down on horror movies,
because a lot of them were getting through without being rated by the BBFC.

2533
03:32:06,923 --> 03:32:11,761
So kids could rent these movies and
watch them at home. So they wrote up a list

2534
03:32:11,761 --> 03:32:16,766
of movies that had - that were essentially
had to be banned. The funny thing was,

2535
03:32:16,766 --> 03:32:22,897
was that there's a lot of people criticizing these movies
without actually seeing them. It's often the case with with

2536
03:32:22,939 --> 03:32:28,986
government. They also had these local MPs as well who
like to comment and get sort of political points with their-

2537
03:32:28,986 --> 03:32:34,784
with their constituency by saying, "Oh, this movie is really bad,
it should be banned." and someone goes "Oh, have you

2538
03:32:34,784 --> 03:32:40,915
seen this movie?" “Oh, no, no, I don't need to see it", you think,
well, you need to see something before you criticize it.

2539
03:32:40,915 --> 03:32:47,213
If anyone can stand up and defend the sort of
horrific scenes that I have had to see, and other members

2540
03:32:47,213 --> 03:32:53,719
of parliament have had to see,
I believe they're living in a different world to that world that I live in.

2541
03:32:53,761 --> 03:32:57,890
The video nasties didn't stick around for that long,
but there were a number of movies

2542
03:32:57,932 --> 03:33:01,936
that were on the BBFC kind of hit list for
a number of years that remained banned.

2543
03:33:01,936 --> 03:33:07,566
And it was kind of years later that these movies did
eventually come out. And people got to see them properly

2544
03:33:07,566 --> 03:33:12,905
for the first time and not some kind of wonky VHS
bootleg from 1982 or something like that [chuckles].

2545
03:33:12,947 --> 03:33:19,704
Video nasties they don't like violence or
blood and all that stuff. You can have all

2546
03:33:19,704 --> 03:33:26,752
the sex you want. But if you use the word 'chainsaw' in your title,
that's too violent.

2547
03:33:26,794 --> 03:33:32,758
And "Hollywood Hooker" sounds worse than "Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers".

2548
03:33:32,758 --> 03:33:40,558
That was a great line. They charge an arm and a
leg because the movies about this prostitution ring

2549
03:33:40,558 --> 03:33:44,020
that my sister has
fallen into and having to

2550
03:33:44,061 --> 03:33:48,774
investigate it and go under
cover with this chainsaw cult.

2551
03:33:48,774 --> 03:33:51,277
I'm gonna burn that temple
over those fuckers heads.

2552
03:33:51,277 --> 03:33:53,946
You know,
you've got a lot of guts for a little girl.

2553
03:33:53,946 --> 03:34:01,787
It's a very silly romp. A film noir, but it's in color.

2554
03:34:01,787 --> 03:34:07,251
I'll check the photo to make sure. It was her alright.

2555
03:34:07,293 --> 03:34:11,589
I got involved with “Hollywood Chainsaw
Hookers" when Fred Olen Ray gave me a call.

2556
03:34:11,589 --> 03:34:15,926
It was Memorial Day weekend. And he said,
"I'm gonna do a movie in three days now“.

2557
03:34:15,926 --> 03:34:23,768
And it was just so tongue in cheek and
so fun. And I got to meet leather face from

2558
03:34:23,768 --> 03:34:27,063
“Texas Chainsaw
Massacre". That was

2559
03:34:27,104 --> 03:34:31,859
like a big deal to me.
Because I love that film.

2560
03:34:31,901 --> 03:34:34,236
[man screaming] Please,
Mr. Chandler,

2561
03:34:34,278 --> 03:34:37,782
for the sake of the neighbors,
they're trying to sleep.

2562
03:34:37,782 --> 03:34:41,118
Gunnar Hansen was
like the nicest guy who

2563
03:34:41,118 --> 03:34:44,789
had no clue that he was
admired by thousands.

2564
03:34:44,789 --> 03:34:47,917
I think it's time somebody cut you down to size, Jack.

2565
03:34:47,917 --> 03:34:55,674
Fred Olen Ray is very - like he's got that dry sense of humor. He said,
"Okay, dance sexy with these

2566
03:34:55,674 --> 03:34:59,804
chainsaws". And I'm like,
“they're heavy. And like,

2567
03:34:59,845 --> 03:35:03,933
I'm trying my best to dance
sexy with the chainsaws".

2568
03:35:03,933 --> 03:35:11,857
And I'm like struggling and I am being en-fixated when I'm
in the sarcophagus with the chainsaws running and all the

2569
03:35:11,899 --> 03:35:15,611
smokes going. If you watch
I like kind of like stumble

2570
03:35:15,611 --> 03:35:19,949
when I get out because I'm
like high from the smoke in there.

2571
03:35:23,786 --> 03:35:31,669
Then I was like dancing with them and I felt something on my leg and I thought,
'oh my god, hot oil

2572
03:35:31,710 --> 03:35:36,966
is burning my skin',
but I didn't stop. I kept going. It was like,

2573
03:35:37,007 --> 03:35:39,885
“Action. Here's
your chainsaw. Go."

2574
03:35:39,885 --> 03:35:43,722
They just said,
"Well this a great idea,

2575
03:35:43,764 --> 03:35:47,852
let's use real chainsaws.
They're cheaper."

2576
03:35:51,772 --> 03:35:56,986
I think they probably got them at Kmart,
and then returned them the next day.

2577
03:36:14,920 --> 03:36:20,301
"Dead Heat“ is a buddy cop film with zombies.
You got Joe Piscopo and Treat Williams, who

2578
03:36:20,301 --> 03:36:25,931
discovered that there's this company that has
found a way to bring people back from the dead.

2579
03:36:25,973 --> 03:36:31,353
The only problem is, you don't come back for very long,
you start to fall apart. And

2580
03:36:31,353 --> 03:36:36,901
they've been using it bringing people
back from the dead to go do things like heists.

2581
03:36:36,901 --> 03:36:40,946
You wanna be dead?

2582
03:36:40,946 --> 03:36:46,410
Part of the humor of it is that they called
it "Dead Heat". It's such a generic title,

2583
03:36:46,410 --> 03:36:51,957
but I think they were kind of aping off of
the fact that it was a goof on action films.

2584
03:36:53,959 --> 03:36:58,339
I loved working on "Dead Heat“.
Mark Goldblatt was really cool. I mean,

2585
03:36:58,339 --> 03:37:01,884
I had Carte Blanche and I
got to work with Vincent Price.

2586
03:37:01,926 --> 03:37:05,804
Death doesn't discriminate. At least not till now.

2587
03:37:05,804 --> 03:37:09,058
We really did a lot of close up
quality zombie makeups on that.

2588
03:37:09,058 --> 03:37:12,895
They cut out a lot of our effects
because they were just too over the top.

2589
03:37:16,774 --> 03:37:22,863
I was cut out of "Dead Heat" because they
didn't use that footage. But I practiced at Steve's

2590
03:37:22,905 --> 03:37:28,994
shop with this heavy skeleton doing puppeteering,
you know, dancing and dancing and dancing.

2591
03:37:28,994 --> 03:37:33,290
I danced to "Burning Up" with
this heavy skeleton for so long,

2592
03:37:33,332 --> 03:37:35,000
so I would get it right.

2593
03:37:38,796 --> 03:37:41,715
She was the sexy dancer puppeteer for the sexy skeleton,
but they cut that

2594
03:37:41,715 --> 03:37:44,927
scene. Again why they cut all that
workout? It would only make that movie better.

2595
03:37:44,969 --> 03:37:47,930
The shitty movie could have only been
better with a bunch of over the top effects,

2596
03:37:47,930 --> 03:37:48,931
right?

2597
03:37:48,931 --> 03:37:55,312
Joe Piscopo when he was on Saturday Night Live was
kind of this skinny kind of Wiener-ish comedian. He had started

2598
03:37:55,354 --> 03:38:01,860
lifting weights and this was one of the first times where it really came out,
"Oh, look at this dude, he's jacked."

2599
03:38:01,902 --> 03:38:04,405
And I think that going forward,

2600
03:38:04,405 --> 03:38:08,867
more people will remember
him as the big muscle dude.

2601
03:38:08,867 --> 03:38:12,288
I think my favorite part of the work that
we did in “Dead Heat" is the butcher shop

2602
03:38:12,288 --> 03:38:15,958
that comes alive, because I have always thought in zombie movies,
why is it just people?

2603
03:38:15,958 --> 03:38:22,339
And so this whole butcher shop when it comes to life,
I mean, there's even a liver, that was a really cool effect, we

2604
03:38:22,339 --> 03:38:28,804
built an inverted table and inverted the background and
inverted the camera the same way and just let the liver roll.

2605
03:38:28,804 --> 03:38:31,932
But then it looks like it's moving until it leaps on Treat's face.

2606
03:38:34,810 --> 03:38:36,979
Ducks, chickens, fish, you name it, they all came to life.

2607
03:38:42,818 --> 03:38:46,822
Part of the way through the film Treat Williams dies,
they bring him

2608
03:38:46,822 --> 03:38:50,951
back from the dead so that he can
solve the crime of who murdered him.

2609
03:38:50,993 --> 03:38:54,788
Hi guys.

2610
03:38:54,830 --> 03:38:58,334
the longer he's been dead,
the more alive he comes and that's reflected in the

2611
03:38:58,334 --> 03:39:01,795
makeup. When he's handcuffed to the back of the van,
car rolls down explodes,

2612
03:39:01,837 --> 03:39:09,553
he comes out and he's suddenly cool because his hair is
all punked out and it's black. He's got a piece of shrapnel

2613
03:39:09,595 --> 03:39:16,852
for a long earring. And his blue ridiculous Hawaiian
shirt is all black and he looks hip and he looks cool.

2614
03:39:16,894 --> 03:39:19,813
Detective Mortis, homicide.

2615
03:39:19,813 --> 03:39:23,776
At the end of the film,
Treat Williams and Joe Piscopo

2616
03:39:23,817 --> 03:39:27,946
are both back from the dead,
sinew is flying everywhere.

2617
03:39:27,946 --> 03:39:31,116
It's a spectacle that you need to see.

2618
03:39:49,259 --> 03:39:55,224
Next to maniac,
"Maniac Cop“ is Bill Lustig's magnum opus. How can you not love

2619
03:39:55,224 --> 03:40:01,105
a movie about a killer cop written by
Larry Cohen and directed by Bill Lustig?

2620
03:40:01,146 --> 03:40:06,151
Bill Lustig went out and found the money for "Maniac Cop",
and was the understanding that

2621
03:40:06,151 --> 03:40:11,281
he would direct the picture. I didn't want to direct it anyway,
so it all worked out okay.

2622
03:40:17,329 --> 03:40:24,837
There's a killer on the streets and he's killing
indiscriminately. And a lot of people believe that

2623
03:40:24,837 --> 03:40:32,177
it is Matt Cordell,
a good police officer that was killed in prison but is now back for revenge.

2624
03:40:32,177 --> 03:40:37,516
Tom Atkins plays the cop,
who's on the trail of Matt Cordell,

2625
03:40:37,516 --> 03:40:43,188
trying to undo If it's really this
killer cop back from the dead.

2626
03:40:43,230 --> 03:40:47,651
it's called "Maniac
Cop" because it's got a

2627
03:40:47,693 --> 03:40:52,114
maniac cop in it. And
it was my job to find

2628
03:40:52,156 --> 03:40:57,035
him and to kill him. But I didn't,
he killed me,

2629
03:40:57,077 --> 03:41:01,248
threw me out of
window on top of a cab.

2630
03:41:02,207 --> 03:41:04,334
Died, ignominiously.

2631
03:41:09,214 --> 03:41:14,803
The maniac cop Matt Cordell is played by Robert Z'Dar,
who is quite possibly the only actor

2632
03:41:14,803 --> 03:41:20,309
in history, who has a more impressive chin than Bruce Campbell,
who is also in the movie.

2633
03:41:20,309 --> 03:41:26,106
He has a rare medical condition called
cherubism. And they use that to great

2634
03:41:26,106 --> 03:41:32,362
effect in this movie,
and it actually ended up benefiting him in his movie career.

2635
03:41:32,362 --> 03:41:36,366
The climax of the film
starts with a car chase and

2636
03:41:36,408 --> 03:41:41,413
culminates in one of the
best villain deaths in the '80s. It

2637
03:41:41,413 --> 03:41:45,918
ends with a cliffhanger that
leads into "Maniac Cop 2",

2638
03:41:45,918 --> 03:41:50,464
which is in my humble opinion,
the best of the series.

2639
03:41:50,464 --> 03:41:57,471
My one question is, what the hell is the matter with
William Lustig? Bruce Campbell and I, we run into each

2640
03:41:57,471 --> 03:42:04,520
other every once in a while and he said the same thing [chuckles],
"What the hell is up with Bill Lustig"?

2641
03:42:04,561 --> 03:42:10,108
"You're the star the first one" he says to me,
and 25 minutes into the movie, you're dead

2642
03:42:10,150 --> 03:42:15,531
and out the window on top of a cab at the
hands of the maniac cop. In the second one,

2643
03:42:15,572 --> 03:42:21,286
I'm the star [chuckles] and I go to a newsstand to buy a magazine,
somebody

2644
03:42:21,328 --> 03:42:27,334
stabs me to death. It has nothing to
do with anything and I'm dead [laughing].

2645
03:42:34,341 --> 03:42:37,594
There you are. William Lustig, nuts.

2646
03:42:50,524 --> 03:42:54,528
I had thought, well, it's "Poltergeist",
you know, it's this, it is a sequel.

2647
03:42:54,528 --> 03:42:58,407
It's a popular franchise,
I thought this could be a lot of fun to do this.

2648
03:42:58,407 --> 03:43:02,995
Gary Sherman had this thick book and
he had everything - he was like a scientist,

2649
03:43:03,036 --> 03:43:06,540
he had everything laid out and
how this was going to be done.

2650
03:43:06,582 --> 03:43:11,587
and the special effects were going to be real and challenging. And I thought,
well, that's

2651
03:43:11,587 --> 03:43:16,425
sort of right up my alley. With my dance background. I can - I can do this,
you know?

2652
03:43:16,425 --> 03:43:23,432
But it was brutal to shoot, it really was difficult.

2653
03:43:23,432 --> 03:43:25,434
We're back.

2654
03:43:25,434 --> 03:43:31,440
The use of the double and the mirrors and all of that.
And when you had the long hallway of mirrors, and you

2655
03:43:31,440 --> 03:43:37,571
had different characters, I think at one point,
there were maybe five different characters that were involved.

2656
03:43:37,571 --> 03:43:42,451
It was extremely difficult and frustrating,
and it all had to be timed and perfect.

2657
03:43:42,492 --> 03:43:47,539
And even with the queues,
one thing could go off and you had to start all over again.

2658
03:43:47,539 --> 03:43:52,920
Because everything took two three times as long as it
would have the way we shot it. The payoff, of course is it's

2659
03:43:52,961 --> 03:43:58,634
like oh, that was worth it. You see it. And I think the
hallway scene is a great case of, oh, look, that really worked.

2660
03:43:58,634 --> 03:44:02,679
It was great. And there's something magical in the moment, you know.

2661
03:44:02,721 --> 03:44:06,558
Hello? - Hello? - Hello?

2662
03:44:06,600 --> 03:44:10,729
Zelda Rubinstein [chuckles]. Oh,
my God, she was so much fun. We

2663
03:44:10,771 --> 03:44:15,692
really had a blast. And she had a lot of boyfriends,
I know that [laughing].

2664
03:44:15,692 --> 03:44:20,656
Zelda attracted very handsome young boys.

2665
03:44:20,656 --> 03:44:28,538
I can lead you into the light! I have the knowledge and the power!

2666
03:44:28,538 --> 03:44:35,003
What I honestly remember most about that film,
other than being wet for a very long time [chuckles],

2667
03:44:35,003 --> 03:44:41,677
when we were running around,
was Heather O'Rourke. She was just a real little girl, she liked Barbies,

2668
03:44:41,677 --> 03:44:46,139
and she loved her mother. She wasn't a child actress. I mean,
she had none of that

2669
03:44:46,139 --> 03:44:50,602
going on. And there was so much chaos on that set,
because it was so challenging.

2670
03:44:50,602 --> 03:44:56,608
But whenever Heather was on the set,
it was like, she was like a grounding force.

2671
03:44:56,608 --> 03:45:00,779
A woman's entitled to change her mind.

2672
03:45:00,779 --> 03:45:06,243
And I always feel like I can relax. Heather is
here. It's kind of funny when you think about it.

2673
03:45:06,243 --> 03:45:11,707
And I always think about, you know,
the tragedy of her loss and all and how unnecessary it was.

2674
03:45:11,707 --> 03:45:15,627
But the fact that she had this old soul,
you know, and that's the

2675
03:45:15,669 --> 03:45:19,756
only way that I can look at it
that I don't feel so desperately sad.

2676
03:45:35,647 --> 03:45:39,818
"Waxwork" is somewhat
inspired by other wax movies,

2677
03:45:39,818 --> 03:45:43,655
like the 1924 silent film “Waxworks“,
and the

2678
03:45:43,697 --> 03:45:47,492
1933 and 1953 versions
of "House of Wax". This

2679
03:45:47,492 --> 03:45:51,705
one is more about the
wax figures coming to life.

2680
03:45:55,709 --> 03:45:58,754
You have a familiar face, Zach Galligan from "Gremlins".

2681
03:45:58,795 --> 03:46:03,675
Welcome to the Waxwork!

2682
03:46:03,675 --> 03:46:07,763
He and his fellow students go to a
wax museum that's full of classic car

2683
03:46:07,763 --> 03:46:11,767
scenes. And when they wander into the display,
they become part of it.

2684
03:46:11,767 --> 03:46:16,897
One of the girls goes into this area, and it's a vampire.

2685
03:46:22,694 --> 03:46:30,243
Or you have one person goes into a an area,
and it's a werewolf. A lot of them are based on the old horror tropes.

2686
03:46:30,243 --> 03:46:37,751
It's very clever because the way that they do it is after the person dies,
then they become part of the exhibit.

2687
03:46:37,751 --> 03:46:42,798
They become wax models like in "House of Wax".

2688
03:46:42,798 --> 03:46:49,054
They had the marquee de sade, they had zombies,
they had a wide variety of different exhibits. The

2689
03:46:49,054 --> 03:46:55,769
effects are better than you probably would be
expecting with a movie like this. Sadly, the original cut

2690
03:46:55,769 --> 03:46:58,563
of the film got rated X
and they had to cut out

2691
03:46:58,563 --> 03:47:01,942
some of the gore in order
to get it down to an R rating.

2692
03:47:04,778 --> 03:47:09,866
The ending is crazy,
because everything in the museum attacks. I mean,

2693
03:47:09,908 --> 03:47:15,038
this is '80s excess and it reminds
you what you love about the decade.

2694
03:47:15,038 --> 03:47:20,001
Take me! - Take this.

2695
03:47:32,973 --> 03:47:37,435
"Cellar Dweller“ [laughing],
really? Well, this is what I remember

2696
03:47:37,435 --> 03:47:41,857
about "Cellar Dweller". Stuart
was shooting "Robot Jox" in Italy,

2697
03:47:41,898 --> 03:47:44,901
And he said, "You know, I want you to do a cameo in this."

2698
03:47:44,901 --> 03:47:49,865
Damn right he's got a chance, he's gotta kill that convict!

2699
03:47:49,865 --> 03:47:56,955
And then Charlie, I believe, called me and said,
"Listen, while you're over there, do you think that

2700
03:47:56,955 --> 03:48:04,045
you could also do a day on this other movie kind
of a half day of reacting and carrying a hatchet?"

2701
03:48:05,964 --> 03:48:11,344
We had Jeffrey Combs appears as
the comic book artist from the past in this

2702
03:48:11,344 --> 03:48:17,017
sort of pre title sequence to “Cellar Dweller",
just to set up the whole story.

2703
03:48:17,017 --> 03:48:23,148
And he's drawing on the inspiration of
the dark arts as embodied in this book,

2704
03:48:23,148 --> 03:48:29,946
clearly ripped off from "The Evil Dead"
[laughing] and he pays the price and he dies.

2705
03:48:29,946 --> 03:48:34,951
I certainly felt like I'm
going to write the best

2706
03:48:34,993 --> 03:48:39,998
version of a movie called
"Cellar Dweller“ starring

2707
03:48:39,998 --> 03:48:47,297
this John Buechler designed monster
that all takes place in one building,

2708
03:48:47,339 --> 03:48:49,966
that is humanly possible.

2709
03:48:49,966 --> 03:48:53,595
Are you trying to say to me
that a monster you drew just

2710
03:48:53,595 --> 03:48:56,932
stepped of the page and
devoured Amanda and Norman?

2711
03:48:56,973 --> 03:49:02,145
That's how I got into the "Cellar Dweller. It's like,
“Here's the monster, write a

2712
03:49:02,187 --> 03:49:07,067
movie called 'Cellar Dweller' with this
monster" that was Charles Band's way.

2713
03:49:10,987 --> 03:49:16,868
But there's a lot to be said for having set parameters. And you know,
I mean, my god

2714
03:49:16,868 --> 03:49:22,999
Michelangelo just,
he only had that ceiling. I still think the monster is really cool.

2715
03:49:28,004 --> 03:49:32,884
More and more as time goes on,
I do meet "Cellar Dweller" fans, which at first kind of

2716
03:49:32,926 --> 03:49:38,014
surprised me, but now we kind of. you know,
is heartwarming [chuckles]. You know, it's -

2717
03:49:38,014 --> 03:49:42,894
it's nice that like you write something and
then you might just sort of shrug it off and not

2718
03:49:42,936 --> 03:49:48,191
think about it for a few decades and you find out
that actually had a positive effect on somebody.

2719
03:50:05,041 --> 03:50:09,129
People love that movie! And I find it to be so campy.

2720
03:50:09,129 --> 03:50:13,091
Hey grandpa,
look at the mirror! [people laughing] - You stupid bastards!

2721
03:50:13,383 --> 03:50:15,552
I really wanted to
prove myself on that,

2722
03:50:15,552 --> 03:50:19,264
even though it was a very low budget movie,
we did the best we could.

2723
03:50:24,060 --> 03:50:29,232
“Night of the Demons“ is about these girls that have a party,
and everybody's excited

2724
03:50:29,274 --> 03:50:34,321
to go and they're all dressed up in different costumes,
and they call out a demon.

2725
03:50:40,327 --> 03:50:44,497
I get possessed
and I just go crazy.

2726
03:50:44,497 --> 03:50:48,710
I am writing on my
face with lipstick,

2727
03:50:48,710 --> 03:50:56,134
I'm making lipstick disappear in my breasts,
which nobody expects.

2728
03:50:56,134 --> 03:51:02,057
It's like it's supposed to be
kind of titillating. Hahaha. But

2729
03:51:02,057 --> 03:51:07,687
it becomes weird. When they do the effect on camera,
they

2730
03:51:07,729 --> 03:51:12,901
show my breasts,
then they cut away and then there's a

2731
03:51:12,942 --> 03:51:19,199
mold of me. From here to there,
they had cut out a little slit.

2732
03:51:19,199 --> 03:51:26,331
So when I'm doing my lipstick trick,
that lipstick just goes right through there.

2733
03:51:26,331 --> 03:51:31,586
When I first met Steve Johnson,
who did the effects, I went to his shop

2734
03:51:31,586 --> 03:51:37,300
and they had to do a live cast of my
breast. I had a crush on him right away.

2735
03:51:37,300 --> 03:51:43,473
And then I guess he kind of had a crush
on me too. So it was very awkward because

2736
03:51:43,515 --> 03:51:49,312
he's putting alginate which is like a
plaster type thing that hardens on me.

2737
03:51:49,312 --> 03:51:53,942
And then they're wrapping me like a
mummy with bandages and having to

2738
03:51:53,983 --> 03:51:59,406
touch my breasts,
and it was just very awkward. So it was interesting how we met.

2739
03:51:59,406 --> 03:52:03,159
I enjoyed that effect,
because it wasn't on my face and I

2740
03:52:03,159 --> 03:52:07,288
didn't feel like I was like
covered in all this horrible stuff.

2741
03:52:07,330 --> 03:52:11,000
But I'm like a very
vain girl in this movie.

2742
03:52:11,042 --> 03:52:14,254
And I have to ask if
my makeup’s okay.

2743
03:52:14,254 --> 03:52:15,255
ls my makeup okay?

2744
03:52:15,255 --> 03:52:17,257
I put my head back, you know, they cut away and then I'm possessed.

2745
03:52:17,257 --> 03:52:24,806
Stop looking at me! - Ah!

2746
03:52:24,806 --> 03:52:31,896
I had contacts and teeth and all this makeup that was glued to me,
and then I surprised him by

2747
03:52:31,896 --> 03:52:39,320
poking his eyes out and in fact it's not my
hands that are doing it because I didn't do it right.

2748
03:52:39,362 --> 03:52:42,240
They had to like put
my bracelet on this guy's

2749
03:52:42,240 --> 03:52:45,452
hands and have him poke
my eyes out professionally.

2750
03:52:45,493 --> 03:52:50,415
I could look at it and see how it would scare
the shit at certain scenes. You see Angela gliding

2751
03:52:50,415 --> 03:52:55,545
down the hall and going through the shadows
and light with that face. It's pretty - pretty creepy.

2752
03:53:00,467 --> 03:53:03,303
Most of the cast thought
the house was haunted. They

2753
03:53:03,344 --> 03:53:06,556
thought there was really
hauntings. I think it scared them.

2754
03:53:18,902 --> 03:53:24,240
As a horror fan,
you were kind of learning that the business - the movie business was very fickle.

2755
03:53:24,240 --> 03:53:29,454
So any number of your horror icon directors
can be jumping to any project at any given minute.

2756
03:53:29,454 --> 03:53:34,042
Every month in Fangoria, there's a section called Monster Invasion,
and that's news of upcoming

2757
03:53:34,042 --> 03:53:38,379
releases. And there would always be a
paragraph at the bottom called The Terror Teletype.

2758
03:53:38,421 --> 03:53:42,634
"Director X is making film Y
with actor Z" and you'd be like,

2759
03:53:42,634 --> 03:53:44,511
"Wow, I want to see that."

2760
03:53:44,511 --> 03:53:47,555
And then that movie would never happen. And that happened a lot.

2761
03:53:53,394 --> 03:53:57,482
"The Fly" is one of my
favorite films of all time. And

2762
03:53:57,482 --> 03:54:01,569
given the opportunity to
write the sequel was incredibly

2763
03:54:01,569 --> 03:54:05,782
exciting to me. And what I
came up with bears very little

2764
03:54:05,782 --> 03:54:10,411
resemblance [chuckles] to the
movie that was eventually made.

2765
03:54:10,411 --> 03:54:15,083
The original "Fly 2" that I came up
with had a lot to do with something that

2766
03:54:15,083 --> 03:54:19,504
was going on at the time,
there was a couple named Tony and Susan Alamo,

2767
03:54:19,504 --> 03:54:25,552
and they would try to find mothers talk
them out of the abortions and talk them into

2768
03:54:25,552 --> 03:54:31,599
raising good Christian,
God fearing children. So I took it a step further and said,

2769
03:54:31,599 --> 03:54:38,022
well, let's find an organization that not only wants them not to abort,
they are

2770
03:54:38,022 --> 03:54:44,571
also training them, as the Soviet Union did decades ago,
creating super children.

2771
03:54:44,571 --> 03:54:52,453
If Veronica Quaife and Seth Brundle had had that baby,
and Veronica wanted to abort because of the

2772
03:54:52,453 --> 03:54:55,039
monster she knew
it would become,

2773
03:54:55,081 --> 03:55:00,503
but was talked into giving up her
baby for adoption by this group.

2774
03:55:00,503 --> 03:55:06,217
They suddenly are in possession of this
super powerful creature that looked human,

2775
03:55:06,259 --> 03:55:08,511
but was much more than that. It

2776
03:55:08,511 --> 03:55:12,599
would become the first line
of defense in a new Christian

2777
03:55:12,640 --> 03:55:16,728
army. Then along came a new studio head,
Leonard Goldberg.

2778
03:55:16,728 --> 03:55:23,151
He had a very short life as a
feature studio at 20th Century Fox. He

2779
03:55:23,192 --> 03:55:29,616
wanted a teenage monster movie,
that's what was popular in the '80s.

2780
03:55:29,616 --> 03:55:31,659
So suddenly,

2781
03:55:31,701 --> 03:55:37,832
what I thought could be a good
companion piece to the Cronenberg

2782
03:55:37,874 --> 03:55:41,336
movie became something much more

2783
03:55:41,336 --> 03:55:45,590
mundane. I did
write a version of that.

2784
03:55:45,590 --> 03:55:50,345
But I left to direct my first movie "Critters 2" at that time,
and Frank Darabont

2785
03:55:50,386 --> 03:55:54,682
came on board as the second writer
on "Fly 2" and then Jim and Ken Wheat.

2786
03:55:54,682 --> 03:55:58,853
So in the resulting movie,
I was sitting in my seat,

2787
03:55:58,853 --> 03:56:01,731
and I was watching it unspool,

2788
03:56:01,731 --> 03:56:08,696
and I'm sinking lower and lower [chuckles].
It's so far removed from what the intent was.

2789
03:56:08,696 --> 03:56:13,701
And I thought Chris Wallace did a great job as a director,
good cast and everything but - but

2790
03:56:13,743 --> 03:56:18,790
it was so far afield from what I had intended.
That it I haven't watched it since [chuckles].

2791
03:56:18,831 --> 03:56:21,834
"Pumpkinhead",
it's a morality tale,

2792
03:56:21,834 --> 03:56:26,839
which always make for the
best movies. I have been trying

2793
03:56:26,881 --> 03:56:34,639
to get back into the world of “Pumpkinhead"
and get the rights back to do a prequel that -

2794
03:56:34,639 --> 03:56:38,935
that sort of sets up the story
and tells it in a linear fashion,

2795
03:56:38,976 --> 03:56:42,855
so that it leads and ends up
with the Stan Winston movie

2796
03:56:42,855 --> 03:56:50,822
from the '80s. But - but while that could be a long, long,
long process with - with yielding very little [chuckles].

2797
03:56:58,663 --> 03:57:00,456
After "Chainsaw 2",

2798
03:57:00,456 --> 03:57:05,795
I wrote a treatment for "Chainsaw 3" and
Sawyers have now moved to New York City,

2799
03:57:05,795 --> 03:57:12,093
Leatherface and Stretch are married.
They have a little baby in a bone

2800
03:57:12,135 --> 03:57:18,808
crib with like a little leather mask
on. Chop Top is a DJ in a disco club.

2801
03:57:18,808 --> 03:57:26,482
Leather Face by day works for Parks and Recreation,
sewing off limbs in Central

2802
03:57:26,524 --> 03:57:33,823
Park. And Jim Siedow, the cook,
has a famous chili restaurant down in Soho,

2803
03:57:33,823 --> 03:57:39,746
and at night Leather Face goes into the
steam tunnels under Grand Central and chops

2804
03:57:39,787 --> 03:57:45,710
up some of the homeless,
and that's the meat for Jim Siedow‘s award-winning chili.

2805
03:57:45,710 --> 03:57:48,129
Tobe didn't really want
to go to that place. So

2806
03:57:48,171 --> 03:57:50,840
that was you know that -
that was kind of stillborn.

2807
03:57:56,721 --> 03:58:03,728
We thought that the follow up to
"Re-animator" wouldn't be "Re-animator 2".

2808
03:58:03,728 --> 03:58:06,105
The idea of doing a
series of movies based on

2809
03:58:06,105 --> 03:58:08,775
Lovecraft was something
that really appealed to us.

2810
03:58:08,775 --> 03:58:14,405
And so the next project was going to be "Shadow over lnnsmouth",
which is a story about

2811
03:58:14,405 --> 03:58:19,869
people turning into fish. Lovecraft is
taking evolution and turning it upside down.

2812
03:58:19,869 --> 03:58:25,500
Instead of,
you know - you know the idea of us coming out of the sea,

2813
03:58:25,500 --> 03:58:31,798
we're going back into the sea. People
are changing into underwater creatures.

2814
03:58:31,798 --> 03:58:37,261
And Dennis actually wrote the script of that while
we were in post production for "Re-animator". That to

2815
03:58:37,303 --> 03:58:42,850
me seemed like the sequel,
just like the sequel to the "House of Usher" was “The Pit and the Pendulum".

2816
03:58:42,850 --> 03:58:47,605
We'd get Jeffrey and
Barbara do it more like a

2817
03:58:47,605 --> 03:58:53,277
William Castle series of
movies or a Corman Poe series.

2818
03:58:53,319 --> 03:58:55,905
Everybody, including Charlie Band,
who owned the studio

2819
03:58:55,947 --> 03:58:58,908
that were making the films
thought this concept was ridiculous.

2820
03:58:58,908 --> 03:59:02,286
And no one's gonna want to see
a movie like this. Brian Yuzna and

2821
03:59:02,286 --> 03:59:05,915
I took that concept and pitched it
to just about every studio in town.

2822
03:59:05,915 --> 03:59:09,752
The closest we ever got to getting it made was one guy who said,
"Well,

2823
03:59:09,794 --> 03:59:13,756
if you make them werewolves,
we'll do it. Turning into fish is not scary.”

2824
03:59:13,798 --> 03:59:18,845
And I wanted to say to that guy, you know,
how about if I just bring a big fish in and put it on your

2825
03:59:18,845 --> 03:59:23,808
desk right now, you know,
or shark or something? I think you might find that a little disturbing.

2826
03:59:23,808 --> 03:59:29,105
Shadow had a ton of really
cool production concepts that

2827
03:59:29,146 --> 03:59:34,902
were developed by the masterful
illustrator Bernie Wrightson.

2828
03:59:34,944 --> 03:59:39,907
Stuart Gordon never got to
make “Shadow over lnnsmouth".

2829
03:59:39,907 --> 03:59:44,871
But he did get to use some
of those elements in "Dagon".

2830
03:59:44,871 --> 03:59:51,210
The thing about "Shadow
over lnnsmouth" is it's one of the

2831
03:59:51,210 --> 03:59:57,800
most action packed Lovecraft
stories ever that he ever wrote.

2832
03:59:57,800 --> 03:59:59,552
And "Shadow Over |nnsmouth,"

2833
03:59:59,552 --> 04:00:02,930
it really is like the closest
he ever got to a novel.

2834
04:00:02,930 --> 04:00:06,475
You know,
I read somewhere that Fritz Lang wanted to make it way back in the day,

2835
04:00:06,475 --> 04:00:07,935
which would have been wonderful.

2836
04:00:26,829 --> 04:00:33,377
"Bad Taste" was my personal introduction to Peter
Jackson. And I've been in love with his work ever since.

2837
04:00:33,377 --> 04:00:39,800
He was a New Zealand filmmaker who wanted to
move on to bigger and better things and he certainly did.

2838
04:00:39,842 --> 04:00:43,846
He was getting a lot of attention for
"Meet the Feebles" but that one still didn't go

2839
04:00:43,846 --> 04:00:47,892
over quite as well. This was the movie
that kind of broke him to American audiences.

2840
04:00:47,892 --> 04:00:55,232
And then of course, this led into "Dead Alive",
which made people stand up and take notice. "Bad

2841
04:00:55,274 --> 04:01:02,823
Taste“, it's about aliens that come down and find
the new taste sensation on earth is human flesh.

2842
04:01:02,865 --> 04:01:07,828
Tomorrow we're having you for lunch [screaming]

2843
04:01:07,828 --> 04:01:12,416
It is a film that only could
have come from the mind of

2844
04:01:12,416 --> 04:01:17,546
Peter Jackson. The aliens are these big,
dumb monsters that

2845
04:01:17,546 --> 04:01:23,844
have asses that stick out really far
[chuckles]. They're not scary at all,

2846
04:01:23,844 --> 04:01:27,014
they're completely
meant to be dumb.

2847
04:01:32,853 --> 04:01:35,940
Peter Jackson is starring
in the film as well. He plays

2848
04:01:35,940 --> 04:01:38,859
a guy named Derek. And as we know,
Dereks don't run.

2849
04:01:38,859 --> 04:01:42,905
I'm a Derek, Dunks don't run.

2850
04:01:42,905 --> 04:01:49,954
He falls off a cliff and his skull breaks
open so part of his brain falls out. Throughout

2851
04:01:49,996 --> 04:01:57,003
the film, his back of his head keeps falling open,
and his brain keeps getting exposed.

2852
04:01:57,003 --> 04:02:03,926
He starts picking up brains along the way and shoving
them back into his head. And he takes his belt off and

2853
04:02:03,926 --> 04:02:10,891
puts it around his head to keep his skull closed to
stop his brain from falling out all the time [chuckles].

2854
04:02:10,891 --> 04:02:16,272
The effects in the movie are
outstanding. You can actually look at

2855
04:02:16,272 --> 04:02:21,986
this and if you look at Peter
Jackson's work with "Lord of the Rings",

2856
04:02:21,986 --> 04:02:26,240
You had the foundations
of Weta who goes

2857
04:02:26,282 --> 04:02:31,120
on to be this in-demand
Oscar award winning

2858
04:02:31,120 --> 04:02:33,330
effects company,

2859
04:02:33,330 --> 04:02:39,962
that was making this really
goofy weird stuff back in the '80s.

2860
04:08:10,250 --> 04:08:13,045
"Halloween 5" is the revenge
of Michael Myers. And it's

2861
04:08:13,045 --> 04:08:16,298
when the series starts to introduce
some of the weirder aspects.

2862
04:08:16,298 --> 04:08:20,677
There's apparently now a psychic connection
between Michael and Jamie Lloyd and

2863
04:08:20,677 --> 04:08:25,224
he's sporting a tattoo that would come
to be part of the curse of the Thorne cult,

2864
04:08:25,265 --> 04:08:29,311
but you don't get that weird green blood
that Michael Myers has in the next one.

2865
04:08:32,106 --> 04:08:38,862
I rewatched 5, and it's actually really,
really good, maybe even better

2866
04:08:38,904 --> 04:08:46,286
than 2. And it really is the return of
this horrific mad man to his hometown.

2867
04:08:52,126 --> 04:08:57,423
Fundamentally, what is scary about Michael Myers is that mask,
that rubber mask,

2868
04:08:57,464 --> 04:09:03,095
that white face,
that unknowable entity that is consistent throughout the franchise,

2869
04:09:03,137 --> 04:09:09,059
even though the mask changed,
I think not usually for the better over the sequels,

2870
04:09:09,059 --> 04:09:13,230
people saw that original mask,
and went, "That is scary."

2871
04:09:13,230 --> 04:09:17,568
Every horror movie works if it's got a well written script,
it's not about budget, it's

2872
04:09:17,568 --> 04:09:22,239
about the story. There has to be some different
elements where you care about the characters.

2873
04:09:22,239 --> 04:09:26,326
Can you kill him? - I think so.

2874
04:09:26,326 --> 04:09:29,329
Wait a minute - - There isn't a minute to wait.

2875
04:09:29,329 --> 04:09:31,623
And that's kind of the whole crux of that movie,
and why we care,

2876
04:09:31,623 --> 04:09:34,334
because we know the showdown is coming
between characters that we care about,

2877
04:09:34,334 --> 04:09:37,171
And that's why the movie
resonates because you

2878
04:09:37,171 --> 04:09:40,340
care about what happens
at the finish of this movie.

2879
04:09:59,151 --> 04:10:06,283
Horace Pinker is a serial killer,
he goes on death row, death by electric chair.

2880
04:10:06,325 --> 04:10:12,164
He gets shocked, but then, like feels the power.

2881
04:10:12,164 --> 04:10:18,212
And survives it, and comes back from the dead as an electric murderer.

2882
04:10:21,173 --> 04:10:26,011
The reason why "Shocker" really works is because the character of Horace Pinker,
the murderer, is

2883
04:10:26,053 --> 04:10:31,308
played by Mitch Pileggi who was Skinner in "The X
Files“. He plays it really evil and mean and straight.

2884
04:10:31,308 --> 04:10:37,272
[screaming]. - Finger looking good [laughing].

2885
04:10:37,272 --> 04:10:39,274
He's got that look and so it works.

2886
04:10:43,278 --> 04:10:49,868
Horace Pinker‘s makeup was really interesting in
that everything in that movie is practical, everything.

2887
04:10:49,868 --> 04:10:56,333
I went to visit my boyfriend, David Anderson,
on the set. They were rolling gurneys out of the house,

2888
04:10:56,375 --> 04:11:00,212
And I'm like, "Wes,
I'm gonna get on one of the gurneys and play a dead body." He was like,

2889
04:11:00,254 --> 04:11:04,258
"great". And then I just got on it one of the
gurneys and they rolled me out under a blanket.

2890
04:11:04,258 --> 04:11:09,721
That's me. It was pretty ridiculous. Somebody put me in the credits,
that was probably Wes, he has

2891
04:11:09,721 --> 04:11:15,185
a sense of humor. Watching horror movies being filmed by Wes Craven,
there's never a dull moment.

2892
04:11:15,185 --> 04:11:22,192
I've heard of audience participation shows, but this is ridiculous.

2893
04:11:22,192 --> 04:11:25,654
When you talk about the connection between heavy metal and horror movies,
"Shocker"

2894
04:11:25,654 --> 04:11:29,241
is probably the epitome of it because they
had some heavy hitters on that soundtrack.

2895
04:11:29,283 --> 04:11:34,371
The theme song is called Shocker. And
it's by a band called The Dudes of Wrath.

2896
04:11:42,212 --> 04:11:47,593
Who are The Dudes of Wrath? Paul Stanley on vocals,
Desmond Child on vocals, Rudy

2897
04:11:47,593 --> 04:11:53,223
Sarzo on bass from the 0zzy's band,
Tommy Lee on drums and Guy Mann Dude on guitar.

2898
04:11:53,223 --> 04:11:56,435
There's no way that can be a real name.

2899
04:12:10,741 --> 04:12:12,242
I'm playing Ricky the Santa Claus killer.

2900
04:12:14,453 --> 04:12:17,080
I've escaped from
the prison hospital,

2901
04:12:17,080 --> 04:12:22,252
I've come to after being in some kind
of a coma. I'm wearing my brain cap,

2902
04:12:22,294 --> 04:12:26,173
which is basically a clear salad
bowl with a bunch of blinking lights

2903
04:12:26,214 --> 04:12:30,260
with a rubber brain with a bunch
of orange liquid swirling around in it.

2904
04:12:30,260 --> 04:12:35,932
I liked gutting Tony from "West
Side Story" Richard Beymer,

2905
04:12:35,932 --> 04:12:39,227
the therapist
going “Ricky Ricky".

2906
04:12:39,269 --> 04:12:40,312
Come on, Ricky.

2907
04:12:40,312 --> 04:12:46,860
I don't like to hurt anybody on the set. I did a couple
takes and he complained that I wasn't doing it hard enough.

2908
04:12:46,860 --> 04:12:53,367
He challenged my manhood. I remember basically it
so it felt and so I did [laughing] really [crying out in pain].

2909
04:12:57,329 --> 04:12:59,414
Yeah. That got the Richard Beymer‘s seal of approval.

2910
04:12:59,414 --> 04:13:04,878
Carlos Palomino picks me up for a
middleweight boxing champion of the world.

2911
04:13:04,920 --> 04:13:08,340
Merry Christmas, buddy. Hop in! [sound of car door closing]

2912
04:13:08,382 --> 04:13:10,509
Working his way up the ladder [chuckles] in the acting business.

2913
04:13:10,509 --> 04:13:17,391
Listo [spanish for: ready]. What happened to you,
man? You get a head transplant?

2914
04:13:17,391 --> 04:13:20,894
That's the last we see of Carlos.
The next thing we see of me is I'm

2915
04:13:20,894 --> 04:13:24,564
wearing Carlos's clothes and I'm
knocking on the door of a - of a house.

2916
04:13:24,606 --> 04:13:28,443
Yes?

2917
04:13:28,443 --> 04:13:31,655
An old, kindly old woman opens up and she goes,
“Oh, you look like

2918
04:13:31,655 --> 04:13:35,450
you're a homeless man. Why don't you come in,
I'll give you something to eat".

2919
04:13:35,450 --> 04:13:42,582
I had a fear, a secret actors fear and that was that I would
never be able to cry. Some actors really just were in touch with

2920
04:13:42,582 --> 04:13:49,715
their emotions. They could turn the you know,
the water on and off and I just thought, geese I'll never be able to do that.

2921
04:13:49,715 --> 04:13:53,552
And I remember looking
up at this kind - this lady,

2922
04:13:53,593 --> 04:13:58,390
they beautifully cast. She's
beaming down at me and I started

2923
04:13:58,390 --> 04:14:04,187
to cry. This moment was so loving,
the tears started falling out of my eyes,

2924
04:14:04,271 --> 04:14:07,149
and then all of a
sudden Monte goes,

2925
04:14:07,149 --> 04:14:08,692
“And cut." [whispering]

2926
04:14:08,692 --> 04:14:15,615
“Sotto voce". And all of a sudden
the crew starts spontaneously clapping.

2927
04:14:15,615 --> 04:14:20,829
As these tears are coming
down Ricky the Santa Claus killer's

2928
04:14:20,829 --> 04:14:26,877
cheeks. And I just remember thinking,
this is fucking weird [laughing].

2929
04:14:41,725 --> 04:14:46,354
The power of that movie is the truth of
that movie. "Henry: Portrait of a Serial

2930
04:14:46,354 --> 04:14:50,734
Killer" was based on a true story.
And it's something that goes for the gut.

2931
04:14:54,780 --> 04:14:58,450
I personally love to
hate serial killer movies.

2932
04:14:58,450 --> 04:15:02,788
They scare me a lot because
they're representative of

2933
04:15:02,788 --> 04:15:06,500
something that really
happens. "Henry: Portrait

2934
04:15:06,500 --> 04:15:11,046
of a Serial Killer" that one
feels very raw and gritty.

2935
04:15:11,046 --> 04:15:16,051
Don't do that, Otis, she's your sister.
- Okay, I was only kidding around, Henry.

2936
04:15:16,051 --> 04:15:18,887
- Tell her you're sorry. - Okay.

2937
04:15:18,887 --> 04:15:23,183
They did that on a very,
very low budget. That was one of the first

2938
04:15:23,183 --> 04:15:27,896
movies that Michael Rooker did.
His performance in that film is so scary.

2939
04:15:27,896 --> 04:15:32,192
You strangle one and stab another an
then when you cut up when you're done,

2940
04:15:32,192 --> 04:15:34,110
the police don't
know what to do.

2941
04:15:34,152 --> 04:15:40,492
Seemingly having a normal life with kind of an almost girlfriend and a friend,
and he

2942
04:15:40,492 --> 04:15:47,040
was living with somebody but all the while
committing these crazy murders is chilling.

2943
04:15:49,960 --> 04:15:55,173
I'm really fascinated by this sort of psychological
reasons why we become who we are. And that

2944
04:15:55,173 --> 04:16:00,262
is an obvious clear case of some sort of deep
childhood trauma that hasn't been addressed,

2945
04:16:00,262 --> 04:16:05,934
and some sort of unhealthy relationship
with his mom. Mentally unstable people with

2946
04:16:05,934 --> 04:16:12,190
childhood traumas who then manifest those traumas into real life horror shows,
it happens.

2947
04:16:14,067 --> 04:16:16,069
And that is scary.

2948
04:16:16,069 --> 04:16:22,325
Sometimes you beat me, make me wear a dress, watch you doing it.

2949
04:16:22,325 --> 04:16:26,079
This is less of a, you know,
exploitation movie and more

2950
04:16:26,121 --> 04:16:30,333
of a character study. And
that's the kind of stuff I dial into.

2951
04:16:30,333 --> 04:16:36,923
Maybe there is a line that you can cross "Henry:
Portrait of a Serial Killer" came close to that,

2952
04:16:36,923 --> 04:16:43,305
but that just makes a great horror movie that
gets under your skin and becomes super memorable.

2953
04:16:54,232 --> 04:16:58,820
There's so many things that a
horror film can do for you. And I

2954
04:16:58,820 --> 04:17:04,367
think a lot of the fans find it very healing,
that have gone through things,

2955
04:17:04,367 --> 04:17:06,369
or going through things.

2956
04:17:06,369 --> 04:17:12,334
They find hope in that,
and they think - they live through you vicariously going,

2957
04:17:12,334 --> 04:17:18,298
“I'm going to kick ass,
I'm going to get rid of all these bad things in my life...

2958
04:17:20,300 --> 04:17:26,431
And I've had fans come and say that to me,
“l didn't have friends" or "| was teased“ or gender

2959
04:17:26,473 --> 04:17:32,479
issues. And this was one world where the
monster gets payback when you're a kid [laughing].

2960
04:17:38,360 --> 04:17:44,699
I've been bullied,
I've been an outcast. And I think that is kind of what resonates with fans,

2961
04:17:44,699 --> 04:17:51,498
because a lot of my fans will tell me they've had
similar issues when they were a kid or a teenager.

2962
04:17:51,498 --> 04:17:56,211
People are watching horror because it's,
"Oh I see myself in it. Oh, this got me through

2963
04:17:56,252 --> 04:18:00,632
a tough time. Oh,
this final girl reminded me of this trauma that I experienced".

2964
04:18:00,674 --> 04:18:05,053
And they're turning it into a kind of therapy.

2965
04:18:05,053 --> 04:18:08,098
People are even kind of dissecting what the movies meant to them,
it's

2966
04:18:08,098 --> 04:18:11,518
refreshing because all I've been hearing about,
"Oh, it's such a great movie.“

2967
04:18:11,518 --> 04:18:13,228
But now "it's a great movie,

2968
04:18:13,228 --> 04:18:16,523
because this is what it
meant to me and this is why“.

2969
04:18:16,523 --> 04:18:21,444
Horror is personal. I think it represents
not only our personal styles and our personal

2970
04:18:21,444 --> 04:18:26,616
feelings, you know,
about the genre and what we love about it. But I think for a lot of us,

2971
04:18:26,616 --> 04:18:31,705
it becomes part of ourjourney for as
scary as it can be and as fun as it can be,

2972
04:18:31,705 --> 04:18:36,584
regardless of the quote unquote
quality of it. It still means something to us.

2973
04:18:36,626 --> 04:18:41,131
We're talking about this like incredibly respected,
well done horror film, or this sort of

2974
04:18:41,131 --> 04:18:45,802
campy horror film that's actually terrible but everyone loves it,
and everything in between.

2975
04:18:45,844 --> 04:18:49,723
It's kind of inspiring to see
people so deeply excited

2976
04:18:49,723 --> 04:18:53,727
and invested in entertainment,
you know, it feeds them.

2977
04:18:53,727 --> 04:18:57,814
They stand the test of time, because there's - they're super fun.

2978
04:18:57,856 --> 04:19:02,402
When you look at a lot of films,
specifically horror movies during the '80s,

2979
04:19:02,402 --> 04:19:05,739
they were taking a beating
left and right from critics.

2980
04:19:05,739 --> 04:19:11,119
But I think that kind of goes to show that you really
shouldn't judge movies based on sort of that time that they

2981
04:19:11,119 --> 04:19:16,958
released, because ultimately, I think they're going to live
on and in very different ways and come to mean a lot to fans.

2982
04:19:16,958 --> 04:19:19,878
I think we're all
missing our youth,

2983
04:19:19,878 --> 04:19:25,842
basically. The '80s to me was a great time,
I was vibrant, more [laughing].

2984
04:19:25,842 --> 04:19:29,804
So the nostalgia is breaking down meaning.

2985
04:19:29,846 --> 04:19:35,810
The good, the bad, the in between. It all means something to all of us,
in one way or another. Emotions

2986
04:19:35,810 --> 04:19:41,858
and memories and nostalgia that it's tied to these
films. For a lot of us who grew up during that time.

2987
04:19:41,858 --> 04:19:46,029
Film is an art unto itself,
you need to look back at its history

2988
04:19:46,029 --> 04:19:50,909
because it's not only the technology,
it's the storytelling, the narrative.

2989
04:19:50,909 --> 04:19:57,624
There's only so many stories to tell around the campfire,
never neglect that stuff, even if your

2990
04:19:57,624 --> 04:20:04,923
appreciation for it is as something primitive,
and - and - and old and naive. You still need to see it.

2991
04:20:04,964 --> 04:20:07,801
I think there's so
much access to just

2992
04:20:07,801 --> 04:20:11,179
everything now that
a lot of stuff gets lost.

2993
04:20:11,179 --> 04:20:16,559
So if you curate the ones that
you feel are important to be seen,

2994
04:20:16,559 --> 04:20:22,148
then you bring attention that they
might not have gotten otherwise.

2995
04:20:22,148 --> 04:20:25,026
Curation is key.

2996
04:20:25,026 --> 04:20:29,989
I think it's important to keep digging up films and
putting them in front of new eyeballs, because the pool is just

2997
04:20:30,031 --> 04:20:35,203
getting more and more narrow. I don't know,
I just want people to be excited about the discovery of these older films.

2998
04:20:35,203 --> 04:20:38,164
Word of mouth keeps '80s horror alive.

2999
04:20:38,164 --> 04:20:42,127
I have a list at home,
'things I have not seen that I need to watch'. Because of the

3000
04:20:42,127 --> 04:20:46,214
horror community,
every time something comes up that I haven't seen, I write it down.

3001
04:20:46,256 --> 04:20:50,426
Because how could you - how
could I have missed that? You know,

3002
04:20:50,468 --> 04:20:55,140
the horror family is a family,
the knowledge base there is incredible.

3003
04:20:55,140 --> 04:21:00,019
I think revisiting the films is really
interesting if you revisit them at later points in

3004
04:21:00,019 --> 04:21:05,191
your life, so you can revisit a film, a well made film,
and it will yield new things for you.

3005
04:21:05,191 --> 04:21:09,362
That's incredibly influential to me.

3006
04:21:11,197 --> 04:21:15,285
People can talk about '80s horror till the sun comes up. I sure do.

3007
04:21:16,305 --> 04:22:16,652
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